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.45ACP Ammo for CMP Matches
by KB2MBC 7/10/2019, 12:27 pm
Is it legal to shoot 185gr FMJ semi-wadcutter in any of the CMP Matches?
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Re: .45ACP Ammo for CMP Matches
by Wobbley 7/10/2019, 12:31 pm
I’d email the CMP and ask, but I think so. The SWC prohibition is aimed at lead (and perhaps plated) bullets, I believe.
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Re: .45ACP Ammo for CMP Matches
by KB2MBC 7/10/2019, 12:46 pm
Yeah, I shouldn’t have been so lazy not looking it up.
As long as it’s FMJ, I’m good to go.
Poo-poo on lead.
Thanks for the response.
As long as it’s FMJ, I’m good to go.
Poo-poo on lead.
Thanks for the response.
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Re: .45ACP Ammo for CMP Matches
by Ed Hall 7/10/2019, 2:21 pm
Not FMJ, just J. Hollow point are acceptable:KB2MBC wrote:Yeah, I shouldn’t have been so lazy not looking it up.
As long as it’s FMJ, I’m good to go.
Poo-poo on lead.
Thanks for the response.
4.3 Ammunition
4.3.1 Pistol Ammunition
a) Service Pistol. Service Pistol competitors may use any safe ammunition
that is loaded with metal-jacketed or metal-plated bullets. Non-jacketed,
wad-cutter or lead bullets may not be used.
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Re: .45ACP Ammo for CMP Matches
by Allgoodhits 7/10/2019, 8:04 pm
Ed Hall wrote:Not FMJ, just J. Hollow point are acceptable:KB2MBC wrote:Yeah, I shouldn’t have been so lazy not looking it up.
As long as it’s FMJ, I’m good to go.
Poo-poo on lead.
Thanks for the response.
4.3 Ammunition
4.3.1 Pistol Ammunition
a) Service Pistol. Service Pistol competitors may use any safe ammunition
that is loaded with metal-jacketed or metal-plated bullets. Non-jacketed,
wad-cutter or lead bullets may not be used.
I am glad you brought this up, as it has come up in an EIC match where a guy I was scoring shot 185 JHP on the long line, but when I scored his first target on the short line the holes were WC holes. I questioned it, and he simply stated that the rules say you can use WC if they are jacketed. Back at the bench he showed me that he was using Factory Federal WC.
I think the last sentence under 4.3.1 (a) means. Non-jacketed [or] wad-cutter [or] lead bullets may not be used.
I believe his and other interpretations are that non-jacketed wad-cutters are not allowed, but jacketed wad-cutters are allowed.
What is CMP scoop on this? Do CMP EIC rules differ from NRA service pistol when it comes to ammo or bullets?
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Re: .45ACP Ammo for CMP Matches
by Ed Hall 7/10/2019, 9:23 pm
I think the "any safe ammunition that is loaded with metal-jacketed or metal-plated bullets" includes FMJ semi-wad-cutters.
Do note that wad-cutters and semi-wad-cutters are different. If he was using the Factory Federal 185gn Match ammo, that is a semi-wad-cutter bullet. I've used them since the ammo change with no questions ever raised.
Do note that wad-cutters and semi-wad-cutters are different. If he was using the Factory Federal 185gn Match ammo, that is a semi-wad-cutter bullet. I've used them since the ammo change with no questions ever raised.
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Re: .45ACP Ammo for CMP Matches
by cdrt 7/10/2019, 10:02 pm
Before the latest rule on what calibers can be used in the 1911, the restriction on wadcutters was meant to keep competitors from using a 1911 in .38 Special. They changed the rule from bore diamteters to specific calibers for the 1911 in this year's rule book, but left the wadcutter restriction. Semi-wadcuters have been allowed since they expanded the number of legal Service Pistols.
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Re: .45ACP Ammo for CMP Matches
by KB2MBC 7/11/2019, 5:18 am
That I is. I brought ammo for 100 and NTI but forgot about Service Pistol, so I bought the Fed Match ammo.Ed Hall wrote:“If he was using the Factory Federal 185gn Match ammo, that is a semi-wad-cutter bullet.”
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Re: .45ACP Ammo for CMP Matches
by adminbot1911 7/11/2019, 7:09 am
Semi-wadcutter is not wadcutter, like semi-automatic is not automatic. Semi-wadcutter is legal, wadcutter (of any composition and coating) is not.
Jacketed semi-wadcutter is standard issue at Navy matches. In 200 grain flavor if memory serves right.
The rulebook should include the Oxford comma after "wadcutter" to alleviate the meaning of "or" confusion.
Jacketed semi-wadcutter is standard issue at Navy matches. In 200 grain flavor if memory serves right.
The rulebook should include the Oxford comma after "wadcutter" to alleviate the meaning of "or" confusion.
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Re: .45ACP Ammo for CMP Matches
by Allgoodhits 7/11/2019, 1:53 pm
adminbot1911 wrote:Semi-wadcutter is not wadcutter, like semi-automatic is not automatic. Semi-wadcutter is legal, wadcutter (of any composition and coating) is not.
Jacketed semi-wadcutter is standard issue at Navy matches. In 200 grain flavor if memory serves right.
The rulebook should include the Oxford comma after "wadcutter" to alleviate the meaning of "or" confusion.
Exactly.
So under this position a BNWC or button nose wadcutter is not a "full" wadcutter either. Is a HBWC or WCHB a full wadcutter? What is a full wadcutter. Is a full wadcutter only a DEWC? It really isn't that difficult to write rules and regs to make them simpler, clearer and fairly precise. Oh well. Got to love the NRA and CMP.
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Re: .45ACP Ammo for CMP Matches
by Dr.Don 7/11/2019, 2:25 pm
A full wadcutter has a full diameter squared off front end. You could use it in a press to "cut wads".
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Re: .45ACP Ammo for CMP Matches
by fc60 7/11/2019, 3:29 pm
Greetings,
This really makes me miss the days where you were issued 30 rounds of 45 ACP hardball....
So relieved I earned my badge before all the changes.
Cheers,
Dave
This really makes me miss the days where you were issued 30 rounds of 45 ACP hardball....
So relieved I earned my badge before all the changes.
Cheers,
Dave
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Re: .45ACP Ammo for CMP Matches
by cdrt 7/11/2019, 4:51 pm
fc60 wrote:Greetings,
This really makes me miss the days where you were issued 30 rounds of 45 ACP hardball....
So relieved I earned my badge before all the changes.
Cheers,
Dave
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Re: .45ACP Ammo for CMP Matches
by jglenn21 7/11/2019, 4:58 pm
+2 used to be some extra ammo around too... still have some white boxes from the late 70s
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Re: .45ACP Ammo for CMP Matches
by Allgoodhits 7/11/2019, 8:33 pm
fc60 wrote:Greetings,
This really makes me miss the days where you were issued 30 rounds of 45 ACP hardball....
So relieved I earned my badge before all the changes.
Cheers,
Dave
B I N G O
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Re: .45ACP Ammo for CMP Matches
by john bickar 7/12/2019, 12:34 am
fc60 wrote:Greetings,
This really makes me miss the days where you were issued 30 rounds of 45 ACP hardball....
So relieved I earned my badge before all the changes.
Cheers,
Dave
Times have changed.
On Sunday afternoon at Canton, I simply was glad that I had earned my badge WELL before the rain came pouring down again.
I don't care what projectile or caliber those shooters who stood out in the rain and shot were using. Every shooter out there earned whatever leg points they got.
I wasn't about to stand out in that shit again.
"The joy is in the struggle", and every one of them got a lot of joy.
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