Reasons not to shoot bullseye

1. to shoot on one of the nicest ranges in California, in conditions that are primed for shooting a personal best (not just covered firing points, but individual shooting stalls!)
   
2. fed a home-cooked BBQ lunch
   
3. (off the record) free beers while waiting for awards
   
4. the opportunity to win back more than your $30 entry fee
   

Founder wrote:I agree with many of the points that Bickar made above.

I've been nagging the NRA to make it easier for match officials to shoot in their own matches--make it worth their time--and to make sure there isn't cheating, make them forfeit any prizes and ineligible for any records. Simple.

…..we need clubs willing to let the people who are willing to run matches, do that.

50 yards is too far
Fix... make it a short course 25 yards

dapduh2 wrote:I’m newer to the Sport. But the reasons you explained are he reasons I enjoy it. If you truly enjoy shooting then spending a day of it is amazing. Plus the 50 yards and 2700 is what makes it difficult and drew me in. I also enjoy shooting steel challenge matches with my Glock and an occasional uspsa match with my Glock or FNH, but it’s not as difficult. This sport truly takes work and practice. I don’t want to compete in something because it’s easy, I want to do it because it’s hard.

I'm new to the sport, too, and am driving an average of 2 1/5 hours to participate in 2700s whenever my schedule permits (full and short course). Not to sound like a snob, but I'm amazed at the low cost of participating in matches. When you consider all of the "man" hours that go into running a match, I consider $40 (+/-) to be a real deal. I'm all for providing scholarships or waiving fees for those who truly can't afford it, though. I can also see the value of making allowances for two-hand shooting for junior or inexperienced shooters; however, I think it is important to maintain the high standards and rigor of the sport overall. As dapduh says: I don't do it because it's easy, I do it because it's hard.

Allgoodhits wrote:I am a crossover from the other side. The handsgun side vs the handgun side. Below is some feedback from some of my other friends, who tried BE, once and said they would not be back. Of course some may have been hiding behind the, "it's too hard excuse".

Shooting is fun. Scoring targets, score card tabulations and repairing targets isn't fun. In the action games most often things move pretty fast. Shooting, scoring, repairing targets and even match results from MDs. BE/PP takes so long because of the time spent at the target line, not the shooting line. No actual data, but I think it takes on average about 6-10 minutes between matches. Heck even the commands are long and drawn out. Yes, I understand the tradition and all that, but the "yutes" don't want to take all day to do something, especially, if it doesn't need to.

Some observations:

Commands: All could be streamlined significantly, saving much time. 
Identify match. about to be fired and get on with it.
SF Match, "10 shots, ten minutes. Load, Shooters Ready, FIRE". "Unload, make the line Safe". "Score and Repair Targets" 
TF Match. "5 shots, 20 seconds. Load 5 rounds, Shooters Ready, "Target". repeat. "Unload, make the line Safe". "Score and Repair Targets". 
RF Match. Same as TF except 10 seconds.  

"Make the line safe" means, guns unloaded on the bench and ECI in place. This should be "defined" at the beginning of each "gun" not repeated all day. Following make the line safe the ROs are doing their duty. After they have notified match caller then match caller simply says, "Score and Repair" and they don't do this until the line is safe.
When appropriate advise which "target center" to repair with and move frames.

Scoring: On the target line only score for shot value of each hit. No math.

Alibis: Do away with them, other than range alibi. 

I know blasphemy to suggest some changes to 100 year old institution, but my gosh, if you had experienced some of the other shooting games out there, BE to them is like watching paint dry. In part because of the long drawn out commands, which need not be so time consuming. The time it takes to repair targets, and the alibis time . We recently had a rare alibi string on SF.

My .02 cents toward making the game more inviting. Note, no suggestion I made dilutes the difficulty. In fact taking out the alibis, makes it harder.

cdrt wrote:

Allgoodhits wrote:I am a crossover from the other side. The handsgun side vs the handgun side. Below is some feedback from some of my other friends, who tried BE, once and said they would not be back. Of course some may have been hiding behind the, "it's too hard excuse".

Shooting is fun. Scoring targets, score card tabulations and repairing targets isn't fun. In the action games most often things move pretty fast. Shooting, scoring, repairing targets and even match results from MDs. BE/PP takes so long because of the time spent at the target line, not the shooting line. No actual data, but I think it takes on average about 6-10 minutes between matches. Heck even the commands are long and drawn out. Yes, I understand the tradition and all that, but the "yutes" don't want to take all day to do something, especially, if it doesn't need to.

Some observations:

Commands: All could be streamlined significantly, saving much time. 
Identify match. about to be fired and get on with it.
SF Match, "10 shots, ten minutes. Load, Shooters Ready, FIRE". "Unload, make the line Safe". "Score and Repair Targets" 
TF Match. "5 shots, 20 seconds. Load 5 rounds, Shooters Ready, "Target". repeat. "Unload, make the line Safe". "Score and Repair Targets". 
RF Match. Same as TF except 10 seconds.  

"Make the line safe" means, guns unloaded on the bench and ECI in place. This should be "defined" at the beginning of each "gun" not repeated all day. Following make the line safe the ROs are doing their duty. After they have notified match caller then match caller simply says, "Score and Repair" and they don't do this until the line is safe.
When appropriate advise which "target center" to repair with and move frames.

Scoring: On the target line only score for shot value of each hit. No math.

Alibis: Do away with them, other than range alibi. 

I know blasphemy to suggest some changes to 100 year old institution, but my gosh, if you had experienced some of the other shooting games out there, BE to them is like watching paint dry. In part because of the long drawn out commands, which need not be so time consuming. The time it takes to repair targets, and the alibis time . We recently had a rare alibi string on SF.

My .02 cents toward making the game more inviting. Note, no suggestion I made dilutes the difficulty. In fact taking out the alibis, makes it harder.

The rules already allow for a "no alibi" match. It just has to be stated in the match program.  It is required to have approximately three seconds between each command when preparing the line to fire.  Editing the commands to make the line safe would be problematical, especially if you have new shooters on the line.  It does not take that much time to do it the way the rule book says.

bruce martindale wrote:...
2 50 yards is too far
Fix... make it a short course 25 yards
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