38 SP brass for wadcutters
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38 SP brass for wadcutters
Just a small data point for anyone loading this - the new brass from Precision Delta is actually from Starline and doesn't play nicely for the full wadcutter. At least not in it's new state. Using Alex's full length powder transfer unit it jams solid on the reloader. Interestingly some of the brass in their remanufactured ammunition is their own head stamp.
So my next move is to use a standard case bell on the new brass, load wadcutter - accepting that it may deform the hollow base - shoot it and see (a) if it's accurate and (b) if the brass is more usable afterwards.
So my next move is to use a standard case bell on the new brass, load wadcutter - accepting that it may deform the hollow base - shoot it and see (a) if it's accurate and (b) if the brass is more usable afterwards.
straybrit- Posts : 389
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Re: 38 SP brass for wadcutters
If the internals of the case are tapered in the lower section, that won't change with use.
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Yeah - that's why I used the singular :-). I strongly suspect that is the case - if you will pardon the pun. The PD help line is not exactly a lot of use. I do wonder if their 'new' loaded ammunition isn't full length sizing for the wadcutter bullets. Yet another experiment, this sport seems to be an endless stream of them.
straybrit- Posts : 389
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Re: 38 SP brass for wadcutters
I find Remington brass work best for HBWC bullets
Deerspy- Posts : 246
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I find Federal, Winchester and RP to be the most pleasant to reload for my model 52. I have had no issues with them and I have been loading for over 30 years. YMMV...
mustachio- Posts : 270
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Re: 38 SP brass for wadcutters
Over the past several weeks I’ve been measuring 38 Special brass in my stash to determine if there any validity to the claim that “Wadcutter brass” is different than ordinary 38 Special brass. I did this by measuring the case wall thickness at the mouth and then determining the case length that is cylindrical from the mouth. The results indicate that There isn’t an easy answer to the question. Remington Wadcutter brass has less cylinder than other brass used to load Range Practice Ammo. The OP of this thread had issues with Starline, yet by my method Starline has a decent cylinder length. The two photos show a WCC +P+ and the next is a Remington from LRN.
The cylinder length was the distance of the case mouth to the black frame subtracted from the distance to center center of the indicator.
I’ve attached the PhD File of the raw data and the summary.
My take on all this is that 1. There is no specific “Wadcutter Brass” and 2. Avoid +P and especially +P+ brass.
The cylinder length was the distance of the case mouth to the black frame subtracted from the distance to center center of the indicator.
I’ve attached the PhD File of the raw data and the summary.
My take on all this is that 1. There is no specific “Wadcutter Brass” and 2. Avoid +P and especially +P+ brass.
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Wobbley- Admin
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This is interesting as I’m ready to start loading for 38 special and was wondering what brass to use for both RN and full Wadcutter
lablover- Posts : 1275
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Based on this study, avoid +P brass and favor Federal or Winchester.
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Does it matter f the brass has the double crimp rings on them? I have some federal that has that.Wobbley wrote:Based on this study, avoid +P brass and favor Federal or Winchester.
lablover- Posts : 1275
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Another way to study it is to use a full diameter pin gauge and see how deep it slides into the case. Amazing what it shows!
Ya got some neat tools there AP!
Ya got some neat tools there AP!
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lablover wrote:Does it matter f the brass has the double crimp rings on them? I have some federal that has that.Wobbley wrote:Based on this study, avoid +P brass and favor Federal or Winchester.
The double “canellure” brass is/was supposed to be from Wadcutter ammo. It is fine. From this study, I believe the cannelures were to control bullet “pull” somewhat. The lower one is at the end of the cylinder portion of the case. This is roughly where’re the bullet base is. The upper one is somewhere on the bullet body. I’d have to have samples of the bullets to figure out where this canellure is. It is my guess that these two canellures are why factory ammo shoots better than we can get our reloads to shoot even if we load the factory bullet.
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Detritus from when I ran a machine shop...bruce martindale wrote:Another way to study it is to use a full diameter pin gauge and see how deep it slides into the case. Amazing what it shows!
Ya got some neat tools there AP!
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I have found that the double cannelure brass will always feed properly in the M52. Other .38 brass can be problematic.
Archer Gravely- Posts : 33
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Re: 38 SP brass for wadcutters
New Starline being free from any lubricating contaminants is common to stick tightly to expanders and powder through expanders.
I recommend washing all new Starline in Meguiars Wash and Wax car soap. It leaves just enough wax residue to lubricate the brass on the expander.
I recommend washing all new Starline in Meguiars Wash and Wax car soap. It leaves just enough wax residue to lubricate the brass on the expander.
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Would "One Shot" case lube work as well as the car wash & wax? I'm assuming that the cases are stood on end when being sprayed.
OldShooter43- Posts : 244
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Re: 38 SP brass for wadcutters
OldShooter43 wrote:Would "One Shot" case lube work as well as the car wash & wax? I'm assuming that the cases are stood on end when being sprayed.
Hello,
Yes; that's what I use.
Jim
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Thanks, Jim
From another Jim :0)
From another Jim :0)
OldShooter43- Posts : 244
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Re: 38 SP brass for wadcutters
Old green/yellow box Remington, and new Winchester. Not sure of the vintage of the Remington, but it was in with some 158gr that had a price tag of 9.98 from Gemco.
The Remington has a cannelure in the bullet lined up with the the one on the case. The Winchester appears to be cannelured after the bullet is seated.
I have some new Starline brass. A .356 pin, all it will accept, will go deep enough to just have room for the Rem bullet.
Rem on the left, Win on the right.
The Remington has a cannelure in the bullet lined up with the the one on the case. The Winchester appears to be cannelured after the bullet is seated.
I have some new Starline brass. A .356 pin, all it will accept, will go deep enough to just have room for the Rem bullet.
Rem on the left, Win on the right.
WesG- Posts : 713
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Re: 38 SP brass for wadcutters
WesG wrote:Old green/yellow box Remington, and new Winchester. Not sure of the vintage of the Remington, but it was in with some 158gr that had a price tag of 9.98 from Gemco.
Hello,
Gemco! Oh my God....that's a name out of the past. When I was a kid, I bought a shotgun at Gemco (without a box) and rode home on my bike with it strapped to the handle bars. Different times.
Nonetheless, older Winchester wadcutter cases were cannelured before bullet seating and recent production is indeed cannelured afterward.
Jim
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