Agulia Pistol Match

Anyone use Agulia Pistol Match? I gave up on CCI-SV. The last case I bought has so much wax on the bullets it's causing failures to fire. CCI gave me the run around on replacement, even though I sent them pictures of the gobs of wax on their ammo. The cartridges are not chambering completely, giving light strikes. So I bought 2 bricks of Agulia Pistol match to give it a try. I cleaned the chamber and bore well to start off fresh. Out of the first 100 rounds of the Agulia, I had 3 failures to extract. The spent cartridge extracted about half way and stopped the bolt reward movement. I brush the chamber every 20 rounds regardless of ammo type, but didn't seem to help with the Agulia. So I tried the drop of oil on the top round of each mag, and rounds 101 through 150 functioned flawlessly. Accuracy was a bit better than CCI. So I think I found a replacement for CCI. So is oiling the rounds of Agulia common? Or do I still have a dirty chamber from the CCI?

I use it in my HS Citation with no issues. Then others told me that Super Aquila was just as good and much cheaper..  $185.15 from Target Sports USA. Just as accurate with no issues.
I then bought 5 more cases.

Mike, which pistol are you shooting? Sounds like S&W 41 issues. I personally don't want a pistol that finicky in match use.

zanemoseley wrote:Mike, which pistol are you shooting? Sounds like S&W 41 issues. I personally don't want a pistol that finicky in match use.

Benelli MP95.

Benelli MP95 likes all the GECO .22, Rifle, Match.
Mines shoots Aguila Target very well, but, not 100%.
SF only very accurate.

Mike,
I have a case of SV Target (35) with the heavy wax issue, which CCI sent me to replace a defective case of ammo that had major FTF issues. I had a similar occasional failure to fire with a Benelli MP95E with the new case of CCI ammo.
Are you using a home made buffer in that Benelli or a factory one? Take a look and see (safely) when there is a live round in the chamber, is the bolt fully closed or does it stay about 1/16" away from the breech face? If you notice a slight gap there, try adding a couple of thin plastic shims behind the buffer and see if that causes the bolt to close fully. That condition on mine would occasionally give light strikes and FTF's. I added the shims and the FTF issue disappeared. The issue I think is related to one of two things....either the recoil spring is weak and it needs a new one, and/or the buffer is too thin (home made from key fob) or compressed enough that it needs to be replaced. I need to get a new recoil spring for that gun, but the added shims are working for now.
When I shoot CCI SV in that pistol, I have to use the half drop of oil on the top casing about every 4 magazines to keep it running flawlessly...doesn't happen with European ammo. I have some Aguila around, I'll try that and see what that does.

On a separate note, IMO, the new CCI 35 ammo has a major issue with the heavy wax lube....on guns with tight chambers you can't run a plunk test with CCI. Goes about half-way down and done. Have to force it the rest of the way and causes a lot of wax displacement. I'll start another thread and post some pics as an example.

Mike38 wrote:
Benelli MP95.

I had two Mp95's. One was like a Glock. It would shoot anything. The other gave me nothing but problems. I even sent it to Larry Carter. $400 later it still wouldn't shoot CCI. As long as I used Wolf, SK, Eley, Lapua, or any other high end ammo I had no problems. The moment I went back to CCI I couldn't get through a magazine without a failure to extract. Never tried a drop of oil on the first round though.

Bill

I shoot aguila pistol match in my old Shilen barreled Marvel. Runs perfectly once i found the right recoil spring and shoots very well. Only pistol i have that likes it

I tried Aguila Pistol Match in my AW93 last year and it gave 2 alibis in a match with failure to eject. One was a double alibi on the same Rapid Fire target. After that I switched to CMP Eley for short line and SK Pistol Match for long line with no more troubles.

Each .22 pistol may have its own particular ammo dislikes. Find out what works in your pistol and stick to it.

Regards,
Oleg.

TonyH wrote:Mike,
I have a case of SV Target (35) with the heavy wax issue, which CCI sent me to replace a defective case of ammo that had major FTF issues. I had a similar occasional failure to fire with a Benelli MP95E with the new case of CCI ammo.
Are you using a home made buffer in that Benelli or a factory one? Take a look and see (safely) when there is a live round in the chamber, is the bolt fully closed or does it stay about 1/16" away from the breech face? If you notice a slight gap there, try adding a couple of thin plastic shims behind the buffer and see if that causes the bolt to close fully. That condition on mine would occasionally give light strikes and FTF's. I added the shims and the FTF issue disappeared. The issue I think is related to one of two things....either the recoil spring is weak and it needs a new one, and/or the buffer is too thin (home made from key fob) or compressed enough that it needs to be replaced. I need to get a new recoil spring for that gun, but the added shims are working for now.
When I shoot CCI SV in that pistol, I have to use the half drop of oil on the top casing about every 4 magazines to keep it running flawlessly...doesn't happen with European ammo. I have some Aguila around, I'll try that and see what that does.

On a separate note, IMO, the new CCI 35 ammo has a major issue with the heavy wax lube....on guns with tight chambers you can't run a plunk test with CCI. Goes about half-way down and done. Have to force it the rest of the way and causes a lot of wax displacement. I'll start another thread and post some pics as an example.

I am using a home made buffer, actually made from a piece of sheet rubber that is used on a grain combine sieve. It is slightly harder then the key fob material, and about .040 thicker. So that shimming idea shouldn't be necessary, but I know what you are talking about because I've used that very idea myself. Current recoil spring has less then 2000 rounds on it, so I would guess it has more life in it. But I have previously seen the problem you describe about the bolt not going far enough forward, and yes, a new recoil spring cured it. 

CCI may have a shorter case length than Agulia, and there is a carbon ring in the chamber that makes the Agulia stick on extraction. Although, the Agulia passes the plunk test. CCI fails the plunk test on over 50% of the rounds, and on about 2% of the CCI the plunk test won't even get past the bullet, that is from the excess wax I'm sure. 

I'm really disappointed in CCI. I've sent them pictures of the globs of wax on the bullets, and all I'm getting from them is a run around. I have the felling they will not make this right. So for the next few months I guess that I'll be trying to find .22LR ammo that works in my Benelli, yet costs less than 10 cents per round.

I just got back from the range and shot one 50 round box from a new case of Aguila SV Super Extra. I did have one bunny fart round. It ejected the casing but didn't pick up the next round. I guess you get what you pay for. That's why I use Wolf or SK for matches. State championships I use Lapua Midas. $170 a brick, OUCH!

Bill

messenger wrote:I just got back from the range and shot one 50 round box from a new case of Aguila SV Super Extra. I did have one bunny fart round. It ejected the casing but didn't pick up the next round. I guess you get what you pay for. That's why I use Wolf or SK for matches. State championships I use Lapua Midas. $170 a brick, OUCH!

Bill

The Midas+? It's on sale @ MidwayUSA today for $147.99 FYI

I use Aguila Pistol Match in my K-22 revolver.  It's just that gun likes.  0.7" groups @ 25 yd.
It sounds like your gun, like many others, could use a reaming or polishing of the chamber.  Flex hones are reasonable and discussed elsewhere in this forum.  

You didn't mention what kind of gun you're using.  In older guns (like my K-22), the chambers are of a slightly different spec than newer guns.  This is due to a change in the ammo specs.  Once I reamed the chambers of my revolver, the casings came out so much easier.  Before that it took a lot of force.

It shoots better in my Nelson than CCI SV and ELEY. 50 yard groups were the smallest and I’ve never had a problem with functioning. It’s my ammo of choice