Non-1911 45 acp pistol suggestions

Looking to buy a 45acp but don't particularly care for the 1911,don't care for the grip angle.  What other 45s have you guys found to be accurate pistols?  Has anyone had any luck with a P220?

Never seen anyone compete with a P220. Must it be a semi-auto? I have seen some beautiful 50-yard groups put out by S&W Model 25s.

JRV wrote:Never seen anyone compete with a P220.  Must it be a semi-auto?  I have seen some beautiful 50-yard groups put out by S&W Model 25s.

Have a beautiful M25 in 45LC. Looking for a semi

It’s a reasonably popular question (see threads like https://www.bullseyeforum.net/t11423-1911-alternatives-non-revolver).

There are some 3rd Gen Smiths like the 945, CZ 97s, and Springfield XDMs that have their supporters. Not sure whether there are as many gunsmiths out there that can “tighten them up” for long line performance if it’s needed, like you can find for the 1911s.

Pardini GT45. Nice trigger. Better than anything mentioned. But more expensive, too.

Dave

Dcforman wrote:Pardini GT45. Nice trigger. Better than anything mentioned. But more expensive, too.

Dave

And a double stack 45 with a very wide grip, best if you have large or XL hands.

My stock 220 is an "all in the black" shooter offhand at 25y.

Non 1911? Never heard of her….lol
Good Luck
Jon

This is a 745 S&W.  Grip is smilies to 1911 but is different enough.  Good ones can be accurate enough for all but the most demanding shooters.  

Whilst Wobbley's 745 is a lovely looking gun (I think LenV has also eulogized about them), they are so close to the dimensions and form of a 1911 I don't see the point for Bullseye, but I admit that I have never owned or shot one.

I have owned and shot Pardini GT45 and SA XDM - both sold on. If the OP has large to XL hands and long fingers then they are possible - my hands are medium with shortish fingers - no good. There are GT45 owners on this forum who have achieved good results with a dot, the triggers are certainly good. I tried an XDM as a Service Pistol, worked well, but I doubt that you can get one to shoot as well as a serious 1911 for Bullseye.

I guess that the bottom line for the OP is "what are you expecting to achieve"? If you are currently Expert Classification and hope to make it to Master or HM, I strongly advise you to look at what the best Bullseye shooters are using. All of the current and active HM's I've seen on the line are using accurized 1911's, most of them with Aimpoint 9000's. If that rig is good enough for them, it is indeed good enough for me. Figuring out how to grip a 1911 well is part of the process - good grip slabs make a huge difference (I prefer Sharkskins).

YMMV

Question - you don't like 1911 grip angle, so do.you want more or less rake, or the whole different feel? For example thw SW mentioned 945, 745, all have pretty mich the same 1911 angle. Pardii is more rake. 220 is less rake. 210 (9mm) and CZ different feel altogether though similar angle. But watch I will change a game on you -- 2011 style pistol will feel completely different, though having same 1911 angle and basically 1911 top. In that bunch the Infinity will have smaller and more pronounced grips, while Cheely and Phoenix Trinity having larger grips. Else plastic grips can be re-profiled altogether in any dimension and texture.

Another point is that you can put larger slabs on 1911, get 1/2 anatomic grips or full anatomic grips a la Rink or Nill.  Rinks or Nills will simulate larger rake on same 1911 grip and give you a nice handful. I found I "need" that rake.

S&W model 1955 45 acp

I think, it would be prudent to ask OP - "what are your objectives?".  Posters answering your question by default assume that it is for BE.  However it is not stated explicitly by OP.  With that, I can name several guns that would be in category of the very accurate 45s.  However in order to adopt them to Precision Pistol Sport they would require some modifications, especially in trigger weight area.  Here they are:
SIG P220-X6 (if you can find one)
HK P9S Sports Group 3 (if you can find one)
Tanfoglio Gold Match Extreme
CZ 97B Cajun Custom

My 2 cents.
AP

PhotoEscape wrote:I think, it would be prudent to ask OP - "what are your objectives?".  Posters answering your question by default assume that it is for BE.  However it is not stated explicitly by OP.  With that, I can name several guns that would be in category of the very accurate 45s.  However in order to adopt them to Precision Pistol Sport they would require some modifications, especially in trigger weight area.  Here they are:
SIG P220-X6 (if you can find one)
HK P9S Sports Group 3 (if you can find one)
Tanfoglio Gold Match Extreme
CZ 97B Cajun Custom

My 2 cents.
AP

I am looking for an accurate 45 acp Semi-Auto pistol that's not a 1911 to shoot Bullseye.  No plans on anything beyond club level shooting.  This is one of the only places that know what "accurate" means. Not defensive, IPSC or IDPA accuracy.  Just looking for personal experiences with other pistols.  I don't want to find one that feels "perfect" to only find 8"groups at 50 yds.  Plan on only looking at the ones that have been suggested.

OP, where are you located? Might be some folks who can let you shoot a few. Also, just so you're aware...

The reason 1911's are used almost exclusively is that there wasn't really another option in 45 acp when bullseye was in its heyday (other than the 25-x revolvers). So bullseye smith's put a ton of work into accurizing those pistols. Given that no one else needs that sort of accuracy at 50 yards, there's just no financial incentive for someone to work on something else. 

Perhaps one option might be to reach out to Steve at Accuracy X and see if he could build you a glock 21/41. But at that money, you're probably pretty close to Pardini gt45 territory.

Dave

Kallysan wrote:

Tanfoglio Gold Match Extreme
CZ 97B Cajun Custom

I am looking for an accurate 45 acp Semi-Auto pistol that's not a 1911 to shoot Bullseye.  No plans on anything beyond club level shooting.  This is one of the only places that know what "accurate" means. Not defensive, IPSC or IDPA accuracy.  Just looking for personal experiences with other pistols.  I don't want to find one that feels "perfect" to only find 8"groups at 50 yds.  Plan on only looking at the ones that have been suggested.

All four guns I mentioned would fit the bill.  Last two would be easiest to bring in compliance with BE rules as both, alone with mentioned by others GT45, are derivatives of CZ (75B) platform.  Tanfoglio has easiest way to address dot mounting as frame is drilled and tapped for frame mount, which is in turn standard part available from manufacturer.  If interested, I can send part numbers.  Out of the box GMX has about 2# trigger.  So, this is the biggest challenge to address, as you would need to find proper springs.  Both CZ Custom and Cajun Gun Works can be helpful for that.  The only other viable option, IMHO, would be to try XDM (mentioned within thread by Roy Dean) with Powder River Precision trigger group.

AP

I love the GT45 but I had to get something extra (1911 45) for EIC, as Pardini isn't a SP. Just a thought.

For 2700 competition (not service pistol) I will put in another vote for Pardini GT45. I shot the target below with it at 50 yards, so the pistol is certainly capable. The two-stage fully-adjustable trigger is certainly one of the main attractions of this pistol. 

Hand size has to be considered carefully: I have medium-sized hands but with long fingers. The pistol does have a thick grip that will challenge a person with short fingers.

Too bad that I can't shoot it anymore - chronic elbow tendinitis has confined me to .22-only in Bullseye.

Best Regards,
Oleg.

Oleg, 
Your GT fit me perfect and I have a narrow but M-L length hand. Balance was perfect as well and those shades - awesome! If you ever decide to sell it let me know first please.

On a separate note I shot few pivot trigger guns lately and although not bullseye by any means I really liked the way pivot trigger "feels" vs 1911.  Neither will make you a better shooter, but nice to try or have something different. 
Yev

Second the motion on Sig P220 Match Elite if you can find one.  Also
Cajunized CZ97, Tanfoglio Limited Master.  All of these can have a
'similar' trigger to 1911, ie a hard break, or if you insist, a rolling break. The Sig is a really good shooter, once I had a decent pistol smith do the trigger.  It seems very few of the $1500 and under guns are delivered with good triggers out of the box, IMHO

There are a few printing grips for pistols. I had Andrew Berryhill make me a few sets.