.223 and Titegroup
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.223 and Titegroup
Hey gang,
I've scoured Google and found a lot of mentions that Hodgdon lists 3.1gn of Titegroup working with .223
I did this load with some 55gr-62gr FMJ and had 2 squibs.
The only confirmed source I could find on Titegroup and .223 was on this forum, a user reportedly used 4.0gn of Titegroup: https://www.silencertalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=709898#p709898
Does anyone else have confirmed loads of .223 with TG?
thanks!
N
I've scoured Google and found a lot of mentions that Hodgdon lists 3.1gn of Titegroup working with .223
I did this load with some 55gr-62gr FMJ and had 2 squibs.
The only confirmed source I could find on Titegroup and .223 was on this forum, a user reportedly used 4.0gn of Titegroup: https://www.silencertalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=709898#p709898
Does anyone else have confirmed loads of .223 with TG?
thanks!
N
Re: .223 and Titegroup
We do not use 223 / 5.56 in BullsEye / Precision Pistol Sport.MuayThaiJJ wrote:Hey gang,
I've scoured Google and found a lot of mentions that Hodgdon lists 3.1gn of Titegroup working with .223
I did this load with some 55gr-62gr FMJ and had 2 squibs.
The only confirmed source I could find on Titegroup and .223 was on this forum, a user reportedly used 4.0gn of Titegroup: https://www.silencertalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=709898#p709898
Does anyone else have confirmed loads of .223 with TG?
thanks!
N
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Re: .223 and Titegroup
I was doing some sub stuff with a 5.56 RPR a few years ago. Trail Boss and 77smk or 80smk. Not my gig, though. Rather do 300bo with 180/190
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Re: .223 and Titegroup
Here is the ONLY Hodgdon data for 223. I wouldn’t recommend it at all, but here it is.
https://www.hodgdonreloading.com/hodgdon/hodgdon-titegroup
https://www.hodgdonreloading.com/hodgdon/hodgdon-titegroup
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Re: .223 and Titegroup
This is a bit off topic and WAY beyond my knowledge so take all this with about 7,000 grains of salt. I assume you are trying to keep the bullets subsonic and burn all the powder before the bullet exits to help suppress the sound.
My first thought is that maybe they weren't squibs, there just wasn't enough energy to push the bullet out the barrel.
My second thought is that Titegroup is one of the worst choices for something like that because it is the densest "fast" powder we use in pistol and shotgun. It's going to sit down in the bottom of the case so the primer flame might jet over the top and not ignite or it might be so spread out that it burns from kernel to kernel slowly. I don't know if that's really true, it's just my intuition.
Trailboss is the least dense pistol / shotgun powder, so it will fill a lot more of the case, followed by Clays then Solo 1000, WST, N320, Bullseye and N310.
My measurements in Grains per Turn in a Dillon powder measure
0.38 Trail Boss
0.58 Clays
0.65 Solo 1000
0.70 N320
0.71 WST
0.78 Bullseye
0.78 N310
0.94 Power Pistol
0.94 W231
1.00 Titegroup
My first thought is that maybe they weren't squibs, there just wasn't enough energy to push the bullet out the barrel.
My second thought is that Titegroup is one of the worst choices for something like that because it is the densest "fast" powder we use in pistol and shotgun. It's going to sit down in the bottom of the case so the primer flame might jet over the top and not ignite or it might be so spread out that it burns from kernel to kernel slowly. I don't know if that's really true, it's just my intuition.
Trailboss is the least dense pistol / shotgun powder, so it will fill a lot more of the case, followed by Clays then Solo 1000, WST, N320, Bullseye and N310.
My measurements in Grains per Turn in a Dillon powder measure
0.38 Trail Boss
0.58 Clays
0.65 Solo 1000
0.70 N320
0.71 WST
0.78 Bullseye
0.78 N310
0.94 Power Pistol
0.94 W231
1.00 Titegroup
Re: .223 and Titegroup
Too fast for RIFLE Varget and 4166 are the most popular powders for 223. Maybe try CFE rifle. If for some reason you want run pistol powder out of a rifle cartridge , I would go with universal and a heavier bullet like 85gn.
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Re: .223 and Titegroup
Varget is a much better powder for the heavier bullets.
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Re: .223 and Titegroup
Please don't use that powder in a .223. You are begging for a double charge (kaboom). Not to mention terrible performance.
Lots of suitable powders out there that have sensable % case fill. Reloader 15, Varget are my favorites, great performance.
Thanks in advance
Arthur
Lots of suitable powders out there that have sensable % case fill. Reloader 15, Varget are my favorites, great performance.
Thanks in advance
Arthur
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