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Gunpowder age
Doesn’t look rusty nor have strong of a scent that I can tell
So my question is: Does gunpowder lose its effectiveness as it ages?
For a given weight, will I get better FPS with new powder vs my 15 year old powder?
I plan on buying a 1lb bottle and testing it but would love to hear your guys experiences
Thanks
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troystaten wrote:If it was stored in a reasonably cool and of course dry space I am sure it is fine. I would test some first.
What’re some signs and symptoms I should be looking for?
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Good luck
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If it is clumpy, has dis-colored specs in it or smells like acetic acid ( strong vinegar) ... may not be so good.
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new production Unique has its own smell, new production hp-38 has its own smell. Very different from my containers of 2400, bullseye, red dot, greed dot that i bought 3 years ago.
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Different, but all recognizable as "powder smell". And it's all good. Every time I reload, I spend a moment huffing that smell. It makes me happy. Almost as happy as it does when I smell it burning 2.7 to 60 grains at a time.Eindecker wrote:not all powder smells the same.
new production Unique has its own smell, new production hp-38 has its own smell. Very different from my containers of 2400, bullseye, red dot, greed dot that i bought 3 years ago.
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We shot a lot of rifle before I took up BE.
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Notably was the powder that increased pressure with age. Makes me want to get a chrono and test newer BE vs my 10 year old BE at same OAL and charge
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Jack H wrote:Dad and I were using surplus 4831 in our 270 and magnum rifles. Dad bought two 100 pound kegs about 1960. I used the last of it about 2000. Dad had a 378 Wby that took a lot of powder, but mostly he shot 270
We shot a lot of rifle before I took up BE.
I purchased a 300 Win Mag from the ex Gun Club President and he gave me some loaded brass. It was loaded with that WW2 era 4831, he purchased it in the 1950's. It was so cheap, that one of those in on the buy, used it to light his charcoal briquets!
The green is corrosion. Nitrogen dioxide was escaping from the powder, venting between the bullet and case neck, and lingering inside the box. When nitrogen dioxide runs into a water molecule (call it humidity) it turns into nitric acid gas. Both chemicals are incredible oxidizers.
Pulled some bullets
It is actually hard to show corrosion down a hole, but you can see.
Sectioned one case, just a little corrosion, right?
powder did not look bad at all. Except for the green copper oxide on the grains.
Funny thing, ten years before I was given a can of that powder and loaded it up in 270 Win
Did not see any weird velocities, nor any particular signs of high pressure, but was only shooting five rounds groups.
I am sure some would discount the corrosion, pass it off as not relevant and inconsequential, unrelated to age, and use the stuff. Heck, we all know gunpowder lasts forever, it never goes bad. Right?
I am not going to load up any more cartridges with the stuff. And every round I was given that was loaded with this powder had corrosion inside. I also am not going to use cases that are corroded, because of the risk of pin hole corrosion, and case weakening.
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TXTad wrote:I kinda hate that I now have "old" powder that I bought new. 1990 was just 20 years ago, right?
Yep, 1990 was just 20 years ago. Time sure flies.
This picture was taken by a gun Club member. A bud of his, who he had help get into reloading in 1972, gave these cans to him, and you can guess as to the reasons by the picture.
The lifetime of powder is unpredictable. That is, it can't be predicted, the manufacturer typically tries for a 20 year life, but they don't always make it.
No one, and I mean no one, remembers these warnings. And no one, and no one I have talked to remembered them, nor would have understood that these powders were being recalled because they had deteriorated so quickly. Just read about the red fumes.
An example of red fumes. The red is nitrogen dioxide, the colorless gas you don't see is nitric acid gas. I promise you, one sniff and it will knock your socks off!
Back in 1936, Hercules is bragging about Bullseye lasting 25 years. Since we know that gunpowder is immortal, why would 25 years be important? And why are they testing for chemical stability on something that never changes? Must be Russian disinformation.
On old ammunition, I pull bullets, to see what is inside. Now how long was 1988 from today?
This was a year younger. Except for the pin hole corrosion, perfectly safe to shoot, right?
It is not good practice to load ammunition and have it sit around 20 years. Sometimes things go bad in 10.
This is from a 1969 or 1970 presentation. Now lets see, 1970-1943, is that period of time greater than 2023-1990?
This is all crap anyway. We all know gunpowder, and thus ammunition lasts forever. Right?
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