Two hand hold

by 9146gt Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:54 pm

I am looking for the discussion on two hand hold and cannot find it.

Tom

by Larry Lang Fri Jan 10, 2014 2:07 pm

That's because BE pistol shooting is a 1 hand game.

by throttleup Fri Jan 10, 2014 2:21 pm

Our .22 bullseye league has always shot both one and two handed matches. Two handed shooters shoot iron sights only, same course of fire, same targets. Some members only shoot one handed, some only two handed and about half shoot both matches. More shooters, more trigger time, more fun.

by DavidR Fri Jan 10, 2014 7:54 pm

Thats because its a league and not a sanctioned NRA match.This forum is dedicated to the NRA sanctioned sport of Conventional Pistol, aka Bullseye. And till just recently it was a mandatory one hand shooting game, But if you can find one being held somewhere one of the new probationary bullseye matches, that lets beginners shoot two handed, but its just to get some interested and move them up to one handed once they learn the ropes.

by 9146gt Fri Jan 10, 2014 8:00 pm

David,
Where can I find the NRA rules for the new probationary bullseye matches.

Thanks Tom

by dronning Fri Jan 10, 2014 8:11 pm

https://www.bullseyeforum.net/t1226p50-nra-pistol-comiittee

by WVBE Shooter Sat Jan 11, 2014 12:47 am

I'm sorry I know this will probably make some people mad but I have to get it off my chest.

I disagree with the whole two hand concept for probationary shooters.
This is only my second year in the sport and I had suffer through all the low scores and frustration which is still going on learning to shoot one handed.

I think people should pickup the gun with one hand and do their best. One of the things that brought me to bullseye was the fact that it isn't easy and takes considerable dedication.

If you want to shoot two handed go try the USPSA.

Again I am sorry if I have offended anyone.

by CrankyThunder Sat Jan 11, 2014 11:40 am

WVBE Shooter wrote:I'm sorry I know this will probably make some people mad but I have to get it off my chest.

I disagree with the whole two hand concept for probationary shooters.
This is only my second year in the sport and I had suffer through all the low scores and frustration which is still going on learning to shoot one handed.

I think people should pickup the gun with one hand and do their best. One of the things that brought me to bullseye was the fact that it isn't easy and takes considerable dedication.

If you want to shoot two handed go try the USPSA.

Again I am sorry if I have offended anyone.

With all due respect, wvbe, we need to do everything we can to get the new shooters in the door to give bullseye a try. On my team of 20 bullseye shooters, about a quarter of them are younger then fifty years old. Furthermore, we have been very proactive to recruit younger shooters if only to keep the sport/league/team functioning.

I also participate in other shooting activities and find a dearth of younger shooters as well. We can either watch our children play shoot em up action games on the computer or encourage them to get to the range in the fresh air and experience the competition and all the benefits that come with it, both on the shooting line and in real life as well.

If we can get a couple more new shooters, or handicappers as well, simply by allowing them to use two hands to get the feel for it, I am all for it!

Now I can appreciate the traditionalist and historical aspect of your viewpoint. And furthermore, I am not offended either!. Quite frankly, I welcome the discussion in order to expand participation in the shooting sports by our younger generations.

Regards,
Crankster

by BE Mike Sat Jan 11, 2014 12:10 pm

CrankyThunder wrote:
WVBE Shooter wrote:I'm sorry I know this will probably make some people mad but I have to get it off my chest.

I disagree with the whole two hand concept for probationary shooters.
This is only my second year in the sport and I had suffer through all the low scores and frustration which is still going on learning to shoot one handed.

I think people should pickup the gun with one hand and do their best. One of the things that brought me to bullseye was the fact that it isn't easy and takes considerable dedication.

If you want to shoot two handed go try the USPSA.

Again I am sorry if I have offended anyone.

With all due respect, wvbe, we need to do everything we can to get the new shooters in the door to give bullseye a try. On my team of 20 bullseye shooters, about a quarter of them are younger then fifty years old. Furthermore, we have been very proactive to recruit younger shooters if only to keep the sport/league/team functioning.

I also participate in other shooting activities and find a dearth of younger shooters as well. We can either watch our children play shoot em up action games on the computer or encourage them to get to the range in the fresh air and experience the competition and all the benefits that come with it, both on the shooting line and in real life as well.

If we can get a couple more new shooters, or handicappers as well, simply by allowing them to use two hands to get the feel for it, I am all for it!

Now I can appreciate the traditionalist and historical aspect of your viewpoint. And furthermore, I am not offended either!. Quite frankly, I welcome the discussion in order to expand participation in the shooting sports by our younger generations.

Regards,
Crankster

I think we are discussing apples and oranges. If the intent of two-handed pistol shooting is to increase participation in the shooting sports, then it has merit. In my experience, it will not likely increase interest in bullseye pistol shooting. I've seen many efforts to increase participation in bullseye pistol shooting by making it easier, one way or the other. I can't recall any of those people, who participated, becoming 2700 shooters.

by DavidR Sat Jan 11, 2014 12:14 pm

We have a local 22 league, which is much like the OP's league, two hand, one hand, open sights or dots loosely based on a bullseye format. We have had a good many who started two handed to decide to make the move to bullseye and shoot the nra matches. So this type thing is good for the sport, the more who join in the better.

by BE Mike Sat Jan 11, 2014 12:18 pm

DavidR wrote:We have a local 22 league, which is much like the OP's league, two hand, one hand, open sights or dots loosely based on a bullseye format. We have had a good many who started two handed to decide to make the move to bullseye and shoot the nra matches. So this type thing is good for the sport, the more who join in the better.

Is starting out shooting in a league two-handing how you gained interest in becoming a 2700 shooter?

by dronning Sat Jan 11, 2014 12:33 pm

At Camp Perry this year (my first) I attended the SAFS (Small Arms Firing School) at the end of the class you shoot an EIC match using issued M9's and ammo. You were allowed to shoot it with 2 hands. You could get a max of 4 points toward the Distinguished Pistol badge.

by **Rob Kovach** Sat Jan 11, 2014 9:35 pm

The 2 handed shooters were not eligible for the 4 point leg. I shot the SAFS match this year, and since 2 handed shooting was allowed, I was thinking about doing it for a little "insurance" and asked--the 2 handers were not eligible so I shot one handed.

I managed to take 3rd overall even though I shot a visible miss. If that had been a 10 instead I would have won the match and a $1500 1911. Dammit.

I agree with David R. If allowing 2 handed shooting will get people to try our sport--and with this years changes that will allow probies to participate in the same matches as everyone else--I think it's great.

As soon as people see that it's not only possible to shoot a pistol 50 yards--it's really rewarding when you do it--people will fall in love with Bullseye just like we have.

by dronning Sat Jan 11, 2014 10:22 pm

Congrats Rob and good shooting!

I was shooting one handed in the practice session and saw others shooting 2 handed I was going to ask after the practice session if it was legal for points but I was on the last relay. I'm sure you remember the downpour! My rapid target was shot in the pouring rain, they had actually called for a range closure just as they were giving the commands for the last string. They decided to use our practice scores as our match scores. As you probably experienced the first 5 shots in practice I was trying to figure the M9's POI so my practice score was nothing to brag about even though I shot a 94 in timed fire. It didn't matter anyway because my scorecard melted in the rain and never even got turned in. Months later I did get my participation coin & certificate though.

by james r chapman Mon Jan 13, 2014 10:13 pm

You can always try PPC

by DavidR Tue Jan 14, 2014 12:16 pm

BE Mike wrote:
DavidR wrote:We have a local 22 league, which is much like the OP's league, two hand, one hand, open sights or dots loosely based on a bullseye format. We have had a good many who started two handed to decide to make the move to bullseye and shoot the nra matches. So this type thing is good for the sport, the more who join in the better.
BE MIKE wrote: Is starting out shooting in a league two-handing how you gained interest in becoming a 2700 shooter?

It is, A friend got me interested in joining him shooting in two different leagues at local gun ranges, we shot two handed in the beginning, then i met a true bullseye shooter named Peter Brown. He was a Master class shooter coming back to the sport after a 5 year layoff. He remarked that i shot well enough that i should try bullseye. We hit it off and he taught me the ins and outs of bullseye and i practiced one handed in those leagues thru the winter and in the spring started shooting NRA bullseye, made expert in two matches and was hooked. Many of the league shooters followed us into bullseye and i still shoot one of those same leagues today and we pick up a couple of converts to bullseye every season.

by MrBorland Tue Jan 14, 2014 12:33 pm

Just curious - Would even experienced bullseye shooters be more accurate 2-handed? One gets good at what they practice, and the weak hand is just something else to maintain consistency with, so I assumed a 2-hand hold wouldn't offer much to the experienced bullseye shooter. Am I wrong? Even at my early stage, my 1-handed accuracy is getting close to my 2-handed.

Tom

by **Rob Kovach** Tue Jan 14, 2014 1:28 pm

I've tried it 2 handed and didn't see much impovment in practice. Maybe it would help in a match if I was freaking out and shaking alot, but when my hold is good it didn't help much.

by dronning Tue Jan 14, 2014 3:41 pm

I wonder if having the second hand/arm/wrist involved might make slow fire more difficult, but could be a benefit on sustained - rapid more than timed? WAG

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