Questions about The Cardinal Shooting Center

First topic message reminder :

If you have questions, here is the place to get answers.
If you do not want to ask in a public forum, here is my E-mail address. danehogle@yahoo.com.
If I don't know the answer, I will find out.

Dane,

The strength of the sport lies in the competitors, especially those who lead at the club level.

Thanks,
Ron

You are correct Ron, this range is not being built for just one or two events. Weekly training and leagues, mouthy matches and open to the public five or six days a week. More regional events and better promotion of our sport, a win win for Ohio and Percision pistol shooting

Mouthy matches? Lol

Hay Siri seems to hate me...

This is an example of Cardinal.
https://www.facebook.com/luke.lee.104418/posts/1877227582501655:0

Bdutton, to answer your question about cabins. There are no plans for more cabins at this time. That being said, if a need for more is shown, some could be built. Cardinal is looking at more RV sites and I got to look at the standard Park Model RV that competitors could rent. prity nice with your own kitchenette and bathroom.

RV rental is a bit of a false description when one is talking about the "park model" rv rentals that are going to be available at Cardinal.
Google "park model rv" and look at what is really a cabin that is towed to the site.  These "park model" trailers are a really economical way to provide housing--no building permits, and they are ready for occupants right away.

Well I was shown one of those today. But what I and Cardinal consider a park model is a little less.
I will try and find a floor plan for the trailer I am talking about.

This is what I was shown today
http://www.campingworld.com/rvsales/travel-trailers/2007/coachmen-coachmen/444824/

I think your both generally talking about the same thing...

Seems nice and able to sleep 4-6.

No, I think Rob was talking about a PARK model. These things are neat.

well, either would be interesting..

First of all my disclaimer, I am not a fan for abandoning Camp Perry in the pursuit of alternate locations. IMHO, Camp Perry affords numerous support facilities on and off Post which would be difficult to match (no pun intended). As said in other posts on this forum, the target carriers are setup before the matches and taken down after the matches which in its self describes them as mobile. The NRA should consider newer more dependable pistol target apparatus and in the event the matches are relocated they can be transported to the new location and their invest would remain in tact.

Having said my piece I would not be objectionable to a suitable location that would afford ample access to administrative facilities, lodging, restaurants, shopping and Interstate Highways. I personally would not consider Columbus to be a viable resource as I do not believe them to be pro-gun and for that reason do not believe they should profit from any shooting sports events

A good example of moving venues would be the recent Smallbore Rifle Matches move to Bristol Indiana. The officials can say what they like but the rank-and-file competitiors and their parents where very displeased with the lack of support facilities and dwindling attendance can attest to their displeasure.

If in fact Cardinal has the sufficient support facilities, I would like to see them host the Smallbore Championships with 100 covered/concrete firing points for their 50 and 100 yard events. Maybe, in the not so distant future, an adjacent set of 100 covered/concrete firing points could be added which would allow for a 50 yard pistol match on the first 100 FP range and 25 yard pistol match on the adjacent 100 FP range. Instead of moving forward, the line would move lateral to the "short line" as they do in Ionia MI. The target carrier apparatus could be mobile, allowing for range versatility and the opportunity for Cardinal to host other shooting sports events.

Regarding the RV issue, I currently RV and it is a life style unlike a motel or cabin rental. When the literature says "sleeps 4-6" they are counting the fold-down dinette and the couch. Having experienced bunkbeds in an RV, my children can assure you the space is cramped and not very comfortable. The units shown in previous posts do not lend themselves to comfortably accommodate more than two adults and a child or two. Believe me, the current huts at Camp Perry are far more comfortable than the cabin style RVs, not to speak of the shower and toilet facilities. Also, storage space is limited and not conducive to the amount of equipment that usually accompanies us.

Still not a fan of moving the Pistol Matches from Camp Perry, but having an open mind to the idea. Personally, I do not believe the argument justifying the move has been made other than the hopes that changing the location would somehow reinvigorate the sport.   

Still at Perry, working the line for the World Cup and looking forward to a unique experience.

Paulb1946,
I would like to thank for your input.
As to the design of the range, and for everyone's information, it has been designed with two 100 point, 100 meter ranges to accomadate small bore rifle. These two ranges are " dule use" as they can and will be used for pistol. All firing points are covered and have concrete floors. This design was shown to a well known small bore champion shooter and business man for his input and critique .
As for Columbus, the city is 35 miles south. Cardinal is 19 miles north of Polaris, the location of Cabala's.
As for the infrastructure at Cardinal. For the last 5 years they have supported 1600, yes I said 1600 trap shooters, for a week at a time. 600 to 700 pistol shooters and 250 small bore shooters should not be a problem. I do not expect you to blindly believe what I am saying here. Please, look at the Cardinal web site, and Facebook page. There also several people here on the Forum that have been there and can verify what I have said.

paulb1946 wrote:First of all my disclaimer, I am not a fan for abandoning Camp Perry in the pursuit of alternate locations. IMHO, Camp Perry affords numerous support facilities on and off Post which would be difficult to match (no pun intended). As said in other posts on this forum, the target carriers are setup before the matches and taken down after the matches which in its self describes them as mobile. The NRA should consider newer more dependable pistol target apparatus and in the event the matches are relocated they can be transported to the new location and their invest would remain in tact.

Having said my piece I would not be objectionable to a suitable location that would afford ample access to administrative facilities, lodging, restaurants, shopping and Interstate Highways. I personally would not consider Columbus to be a viable resource as I do not believe them to be pro-gun and for that reason do not believe they should profit from any shooting sports events

A good example of moving venues would be the recent Smallbore Rifle Matches move to Bristol Indiana. The officials can say what they like but the rank-and-file competitiors and their parents where very displeased with the lack of support facilities and dwindling attendance can attest to their displeasure.

If in fact Cardinal has the sufficient support facilities, I would like to see them host the Smallbore Championships with 100 covered/concrete firing points for their 50 and 100 yard events. Maybe, in the not so distant future, an adjacent set of 100 covered/concrete firing points could be added which would allow for a 50 yard pistol match on the first 100 FP range and 25 yard pistol match on the adjacent 100 FP range. Instead of moving forward, the line would move lateral to the "short line" as they do in Ionia MI. The target carrier apparatus could be mobile, allowing for range versatility and the opportunity for Cardinal to host other shooting sports events.

Regarding the RV issue, I currently RV and it is a life style unlike a motel or cabin rental. When the literature says "sleeps 4-6" they are counting the fold-down dinette and the couch. Having experienced bunkbeds in an RV, my children can assure you the space is cramped and not very comfortable. The units shown in previous posts do not lend themselves to comfortably accommodate more than two adults and a child or two. Believe me, the current huts at Camp Perry are far more comfortable than the cabin style RVs, not to speak of the shower and toilet facilities. Also, storage space is limited and not conducive to the amount of equipment that usually accompanies us.

Still not a fan of moving the Pistol Matches from Camp Perry, but having an open mind to the idea. Personally, I do not believe the argument justifying the move has been made other than the hopes that changing the location would somehow reinvigorate the sport.   

Still at Perry, working the line for the World Cup and looking forward to a unique experience.

This...

The people all enthusiastic about providing ready to rent RV's at the Cardinal center have missed the point about why most of us who do, bring our RV's to Canton and Perry.   It is about having your hotel room with you on the trip out, and being able to transport all your guns and ammo.  (And food if you have special dietary needs.)

I don't want to stay in a RV.  

I want to stay in MY RV.

If I am not bringing my RV what you are proposing at the Cardinal center, is an extremely cramped, inconvenient version of a Japanese hotel room.  (Which as a woman, I don't want to share with even my husband unless it doubles as a bomb shelter and we are in the middle of World War III)

I can't fly to the National matches, without going to the enormous expense of shipping my guns and ammo out in advance,  and even then, I am faced with an expensive rental car while I am in Ohio.  

You boys in Ohio need to look at the logistics for those of us who live a day's drive or more away from the national matches.  



The shot gunners are notorious for being wealthy.  Very few of the pistol shooters fit that description.

A vast majority of trapshooters don't have a pot to piss in.

Like pistol shooters, we put our $$$$$ into shotguns.

It's important to look good shooting.

james r chapman wrote:A vast majority of trapshooters don't have a pot to piss in.

Like pistol shooters, we put our $$$$$ into shotguns.

It's important to look good shooting.

Jim,   I think I bought a Sam's gun from you several years ago.   It is still shooting well.  


And I hope that you are, as well.

Using Cardinal's own numbers, the lodging onsite appears to be:

9 standard cabins that will sleep a max of four (assuming two per bed/sofa)
20 deluxe cabins that will sleep a max of six (assuming two per bed/sofa)
200 basic RV sites (water & elec hookup)
200 full RV sites (water, elec & sewer)
Of these RV sites, 53 are pull-thru for big rigs.
Assuming maximum occupancy for the cabins and two adults per RV, there appears to be accommodations for 938 adults.

There are hotels available north on I-71, 30 to 60 minutes drive; south at Columbia, OH, 30 to 60 minute drive; east at Mt. Vernon, OH, again 30 to 60 minute drive.

I could not locate any weekly condo rentals similar to those that are available around Port Clinton.

As for dining, there are a couple of fast food places in Marengo, OH, but most dining out will be a 30 to 60 minute drive away from Cardinal.  Marengo is a rather small village and according to City-Data, the population in 2013 was 342.

build it and they will come....

And they complain about Sparta, Illinois...

Anyway, Fishburn will provide.

And, nope, wasn't me with a Sam's, but, thanks for the interest in my feeble attempts to hit that Bullseye.,

Jim

Since we went to Camp Perry in 2014, the ONG was able to tear down all those old huts and replace them with a whole bunch of new ones.

It's too early to go around and around about lodging and RV's and mess halls (considering how pathetic the catering was this year at Perry) and wait until there is a facility to discuss that can handle the National Pistol Championships.

I think there is still plenty of time for the developer at Cardinal to build additional facilities to address those concerns.

I have to dispute AllAces' report that there are few options for food or lodging within 30-60 minutes of the Cardinal Center.  You would have to drive EXTREMELY slow to not hit something for food or lodging closer than that.

Here is google's list of nearby hotels  There are MANY options around 15 minutes from the facility: 

I really like Camp Perry.  I'm keeping an open mind here, and I'm going to wait and see what Cardinal decides to build.  If it's better than Camp Perry, THAT'S GREAT! It will create an incentive for the ONG and the Port Clinton area to either step up, or step out of the way.

Any time somebody decides to dump a bunch of cash into our sport, it's going to lead to good things.

All aces,
As I have said before, you are in error. There are 200 hotel rooms within 10 miles. Polaris Parkway Is 19 miles south and has another 700 rooms. 19 miles at 70 mph is NOT 30 minutes. I drove from the Columbus airport to cardinal Thursday at 9:00 am it was a 35 min drive.

How about a few Regionals to see if everything works.  Before a possible Nationals disaster.

Working on it Blsi.....