.22lr pistols debate

First topic message reminder :

what pistol you consider is the best pistol,not for high price range,for accuracy,trigger pounds,frame,quality,etc.

I think my first couple sentences agree with Gil's findings.. But, if I personally had a .22 or put one together for a demanding HM and it shot 1.695 groups with Eley 10X, I'd rebarrel/reline it.

Cranky, what is the all up weight of your Pardini with that red dot setup?

Dr.Don wrote:Cranky, what is the all up weight of your Pardini with that red dot setup?

Dear Dr. Don:



I do not know what it weighs but I selected the aimpoint 9000L because it is a bit heavier then the ultra dot.   I am running four steel weights in the nose and two tungsten.  It is a touch heavier then the average pardini



Regards,

Cranky

My Pardini with a "std" 1 inch Ultradot and Dick Horton grips weighs 46 oz. Add approximately 2 oz. for a loaded magazine.

Thanks guys.

are very fine your opinions, are great help,Thank you to all!!!

BE Mike wrote:

bobthenailer wrote:After 40 years of BE shooting under my belt , my best scores are with any of my 4 HS pistols ! I also shoot a S&W 41, Browning Buckmark 5.5 target and a Kimber 22 conversion on a SA 45 loaded frame all with red dot sights  .
 I can regulary shoot 290+ scores with them all .
 last years winter indoor 50' league netted me a 295.95 avg with the HS

That's exceptional shooting. I have never heard of the Kimber conversion being accurate enough for outdoor 2700's. I would be interested if it could hold a decent group at the long line.

All guns as well as the Kimber 22lr conversion were shot for the NRA indoor 50' match

The Kimber conversion will typically shoot just fine--the "problem" with it is there isn't a way to mount a red dot to it because the entire slide cycles on those models.

The conversions that are usually used for bullseye, the top rail is fixed to the barrel and only the bottom part of the slide moves.  That's really the difference.

I dug up some of my old dissected 22 barrel samples.. Tried to pull it off in one photo shot, but I couldn't get the clarity on the Ruger and the Shilen.. I may retake it later if there is interest.. The arrows indicated imperfections or features.  
Extreme left is a High Standard.. Good barrel and chamber. You can see the target grade leade and the near perfect chamber. The defect is the threaded hole for the barrel lug is too deep and left a dimple in the bore..The arrow bottom center is a S&W 41. The bright marks indicated by the arrow is the result of a number stamped on the bottom of the barrel.. Also illustrates the importance of careful handling of fragile match grade barrels.. Not that a 41 is..Upper left is also a 41.. The chamber  is not nearly as pronounced and precise as the HS and the leade is an abrupt 5 degree..The headspace shoulder is rough, poorly machined.. Not great for accuracy. If you compare the rifling width of the 41 to the HS, the 41 is much wider.. Again not a plus. The narrow center piece with three arrows is a section of 41  barrel.. The arrows indicate high spots in the bore..Caused by diameter changes which are detrimental to accuracy.. here are three..in about inch and a half of bore length. Center top is a Ruger.. It is not as clear as I would have liked to illustrate.. There is no distinct chamber.. The Shilen is the upper right stainless stub.. It doesn't show the beautiful distinct rifling.. I'll thry another shot later.. Not all .22s are create equal..

Most interesting set of observations and opinions.  Distillation seems to be:

Number one is the pistol must "fit."  Those at matches who have Pardini pistols or other high end pistols might seek-out Marksmen to have them test the fit.  That is how I found 208s was a perfect fit (back when one could buy one new).  [as an aside, the other two perfect fits that I have found are Sig P320C with large frame and Walther CCP]
Number two is a trigger that fits.  Need to be able to place finger in the best place and the force required needs to be within rules.  Adjustability is a big plus.  Best is a trip point that is always the same.  My 1000 yard Savage goes off exactly when my head says fire.
Number three is working with good ammo without glitches.

Thanks for the many useful observations.     Mac2

SW-52
  Your still young. Collect the whole set.

I have tried a lot of pistols but what fits you best is what i went for,then reliability,was it fussy on ammo?
opinions will be many, I finally settled on a walther GSP expert and was lucky to get Arnie Vitarbo to make me a grip for it.
I am just a beginner in bullseye but the GSP has never had one hiccup after 3500 rds . I use CCI SV and Aguila SV. 
Try a bunch of different pistols if you can then pick what feels best for you.