first shot flyer
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DonBrummer
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first shot flyer
I've been reluctant to even bring this up because it seems so rudimentary. More often than not my first slow fire .22 shot is a 6 at around 2 o'clock.Then the rest of my slow fires are usually 8 or up. I'm averaging around 87 but if I can just get that first shot..... I have a magazine with snap caps that I dry fire with during prep time. It seems like once I feel the gun recoil I'm good after that. I should add that until a few months ago my entire first target was usually bad. Low 70's. So progress is being made. I NEVER have this problem with 45.
orpheoet- Posts : 1054
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Age : 56
Location : Berea, Oh
Re: first shot flyer
I have to ask. Do you fire the first shot with a clean pistol? The first round can go anywhere if it is pushing oil, solvent or just squeaky clean.
Len
Len
LenV- Posts : 4769
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Re: first shot flyer
I pull a bore snake through it when the feed ramp looks bad. But I very rarely "clean" the barrel.
orpheoet- Posts : 1054
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Re: first shot flyer
Just a idea from a newbee myself... who has a LOT to learn so take it with a grain of salt..
Its a slow fire round, so really you have all the time in the world... Maybe take your first shot as a dryfire. Maybe getting that first shot in, then load, and shoot might be the trick. Granted unless its a gun/ammo thing.. like starting with freezing cold gun,or ammo. Just a thought..
Its a slow fire round, so really you have all the time in the world... Maybe take your first shot as a dryfire. Maybe getting that first shot in, then load, and shoot might be the trick. Granted unless its a gun/ammo thing.. like starting with freezing cold gun,or ammo. Just a thought..
s1120- Posts : 332
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Location : Columbia county NY
Re: first shot flyer
Perhaps you're not locking your wrist on the first shot?
Wobbley- Admin
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Re: first shot flyer
From the yin - yang of pistol shooting:
Live Fire:
No matter what the skill level, the mind should believe its still just another dryfire shot.
(Don't get distracted by having a round in the chamber, it should be a perfect dryfire shot process.)
Dryfire:
No matter what the skill level, the mind should believe that every dryfire is an actual shot.
(Don't get lazy dryfiring, focus completely on the sights, trigger and process because it is a shot, just without a projectile.)
CR
Live Fire:
No matter what the skill level, the mind should believe its still just another dryfire shot.
(Don't get distracted by having a round in the chamber, it should be a perfect dryfire shot process.)
Dryfire:
No matter what the skill level, the mind should believe that every dryfire is an actual shot.
(Don't get lazy dryfiring, focus completely on the sights, trigger and process because it is a shot, just without a projectile.)
CR
CR10X- Posts : 1777
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Location : NC
Re: first shot flyer
Plus 1000 !!! ^^^^^^CR10X wrote:From the yin - yang of pistol shooting:
Live Fire:
No matter what the skill level, the mind should believe its still just another dryfire shot.
(Don't get distracted by having a round in the chamber, it should be a perfect dryfire shot process.)
Dryfire:
No matter what the skill level, the mind should believe that every dryfire is an actual shot.
(Don't get lazy dryfiring, focus completely on the sights, trigger and process because it is a shot, just without a projectile.)
CR
Therein is the secret everyone is searching for...
In my other life, I trained thousands of police/recruits.. I used this exact principle/technique..I give two areas of training credit for my successful career... Cecil's perfect explanation of metal/physical training, and surrounding myself with skilled, competitive shooting assistants.
Jerry Keefer- Posts : 1001
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Location : Maidens, VA
Re: first shot flyer
CR10X and Jerry I think you've nailed it. Shooting Oak Harbor tomorrow. We'll see where that first shot goes.....
orpheoet- Posts : 1054
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Location : Berea, Oh
Re: first shot flyer
I think your better off then I am. I usually start with an X and then go down from there.
Len
Len
LenV- Posts : 4769
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Age : 74
Location : Oregon
Re: first shot flyer
Something that helped me with the first shot was to dry fire 2 or 3 additional times while the rest of the line was sending lead down range.
DonBrummer- Posts : 149
Join date : 2014-07-24
Location : East Meadow, NY
Re: first shot flyer
I've had a first shot flyer with certain lot#'s of cci sv. I'm talking about having a good call but it's out in the white. Doubted myself for a while until I duplicated it off sandbags. Now when I get a new case of ammo, I test off sandbags just to make sure.
rreid- Posts : 562
Join date : 2012-02-06
Re: first shot flyer
That sounds very unlikely. After all, what are the odds that on certain lots that only your first shot is a flyer?rreid wrote:I've had a first shot flyer with certain lot#'s of cci sv. I'm talking about having a good call but it's out in the white. Doubted myself for a while until I duplicated it off sandbags. Now when I get a new case of ammo, I test off sandbags just to make sure.
Joel
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Location : San Diego, CA
Re: first shot flyer
I used to have 1st shot flyers through a Marvel Muzzle brake that was 100% clogged with lead. The first shots must have been sent askew by obstruction?
Grip consistency is key for this. You really need to be sure that you aren't changing your grip for the first real shot.
Grip consistency is key for this. You really need to be sure that you aren't changing your grip for the first real shot.
Rob Kovach- Admin
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Re: first shot flyer
I think grip is exactly the problem. I fell into the bad habit of dry firing just to feel the trigger and being lax on the other fundamentals.Rob Kovach wrote:I used to have 1st shot flyers through a Marvel Muzzle brake that was 100% clogged with lead. The first shots must have been sent askew by obstruction?
Grip consistency is key for this. You really need to be sure that you aren't changing your grip for the first real shot.
I scored a nice 7 inch barrel for the 41 this past saturday just for iron sight shooting and man does that long sight radius exaggerate any grip defects regarding sight alignment.
Consistency! Every dry fire like a real shot and vice versa. Thats my plan
orpheoet- Posts : 1054
Join date : 2014-07-29
Age : 56
Location : Berea, Oh
Re: first shot flyer
I had a Marvel that would give me a 2 o'clock 6 or 7 on the first shot about 50% of the time if I sling shot the slide to chamber the first round. I thought it was me until it did it off of a rest. I found that if I would pull the slide back and not let go but push the round in (about a third as fast) the flyer went away.
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