Comparing apples to kumquats. New loads tested finally.
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Comparing apples to kumquats. New loads tested finally.
Folks have been very helpful to this BEGINNER in this thread:
https://www.bullseyeforum.net/t5523-developing-45-bullseye-load-i-m-beginner-don-t-laugh
I finally got out and shot some test loads with my 5" STI Trojan with trigger job from Brazos and Match Dot on a slide rail. I used WST powder on all loads and RCBS 3 die carbide set on the Penn Bullets and taper crimped to .970. However, I used a Redding taper die to .970 on the SNS bullets as I just received it last night. I know the value NOW of a Ransom rest. This was tiring.
IT SHOULD ALSO BE NOTED THAT I WEIGHED EACH PENN BULLET AND LOADED ONLY THOSE 203.5 +/- .1 gr BUT DID NOT WEIGH THE SNS AS THEY SEEMED ALL VERY CLOSE TO EACH OTHER IN WEIGHT.
Sorry, these were the only targets I had at the house today.
10 shots, 4.0 gr WST, Penn bullets 200 LSWC MG, RCBS 3 die set with taper crimp die.
10 shots, 4.1 gr WST, Penn bullets 200 LSWC MG, RCBS 3 die set with taper crimp die.
10 shots, 4.2 gr WST, Penn bullets 200 LSWC MG, RCBS 3 die set with taper crimp die.
5 shots, 4.0 gr WST, SNS Casting coated bullets 200 LSWC, RCBS 3 die set with REDDING taper crimp die as final set.
5 shots, 4.1 gr WST, SNS Casting coated bullets 200 LSWC, RCBS 3 die set with REDDING taper crimp die as final set.
5 shots, 4.2 gr WST, SNS Casting coated bullets 200 LSWC, RCBS 3 die set with REDDING taper crimp die as final set.
I also shot a 5 shot group each of 4.0, 4.1 and 4.2 with the Penn, but they largely reflected what the 10 shot strings did. With the Penn the 4.2 load seems tightest. I just got the Redding die last night so loaded the SNS with those loads specified and used that die. That's why I'm saying I'm comparing apples to kumquats- I did NOT crimp the Penn bullets the same, I used the RCBS 3rd die. Is it the bullet? The taper crimp die? Variance in shooting? I'm just not sure. I don't want to keep testing, I want to load some bullets and practice! I can say the 4.0 is the easiest shooting load and at 50 yards that SNS, with the largest spread at 2.58" was the best test I had. My quandary is that the 5 shots with the 4.0 WST and SNS bullet was a very small sample size. My gut tells to me shoot some strings with the SNS alone. They seem clean and with the WST it's a joy to shoot. Wish our club had a ransom rest, would provide more insight, but any insight into what I'm doing wrong is appreciated.
https://www.bullseyeforum.net/t5523-developing-45-bullseye-load-i-m-beginner-don-t-laugh
I finally got out and shot some test loads with my 5" STI Trojan with trigger job from Brazos and Match Dot on a slide rail. I used WST powder on all loads and RCBS 3 die carbide set on the Penn Bullets and taper crimped to .970. However, I used a Redding taper die to .970 on the SNS bullets as I just received it last night. I know the value NOW of a Ransom rest. This was tiring.
IT SHOULD ALSO BE NOTED THAT I WEIGHED EACH PENN BULLET AND LOADED ONLY THOSE 203.5 +/- .1 gr BUT DID NOT WEIGH THE SNS AS THEY SEEMED ALL VERY CLOSE TO EACH OTHER IN WEIGHT.
Sorry, these were the only targets I had at the house today.
10 shots, 4.0 gr WST, Penn bullets 200 LSWC MG, RCBS 3 die set with taper crimp die.
10 shots, 4.1 gr WST, Penn bullets 200 LSWC MG, RCBS 3 die set with taper crimp die.
10 shots, 4.2 gr WST, Penn bullets 200 LSWC MG, RCBS 3 die set with taper crimp die.
5 shots, 4.0 gr WST, SNS Casting coated bullets 200 LSWC, RCBS 3 die set with REDDING taper crimp die as final set.
5 shots, 4.1 gr WST, SNS Casting coated bullets 200 LSWC, RCBS 3 die set with REDDING taper crimp die as final set.
5 shots, 4.2 gr WST, SNS Casting coated bullets 200 LSWC, RCBS 3 die set with REDDING taper crimp die as final set.
I also shot a 5 shot group each of 4.0, 4.1 and 4.2 with the Penn, but they largely reflected what the 10 shot strings did. With the Penn the 4.2 load seems tightest. I just got the Redding die last night so loaded the SNS with those loads specified and used that die. That's why I'm saying I'm comparing apples to kumquats- I did NOT crimp the Penn bullets the same, I used the RCBS 3rd die. Is it the bullet? The taper crimp die? Variance in shooting? I'm just not sure. I don't want to keep testing, I want to load some bullets and practice! I can say the 4.0 is the easiest shooting load and at 50 yards that SNS, with the largest spread at 2.58" was the best test I had. My quandary is that the 5 shots with the 4.0 WST and SNS bullet was a very small sample size. My gut tells to me shoot some strings with the SNS alone. They seem clean and with the WST it's a joy to shoot. Wish our club had a ransom rest, would provide more insight, but any insight into what I'm doing wrong is appreciated.
Laminarman- Posts : 74
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Re: Comparing apples to kumquats. New loads tested finally.
I'd sure load up some more of the 4.0 SNS to give it a real try..
are those SNS 200 the lube style bullet or the solid base
are those SNS 200 the lube style bullet or the solid base
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Re: Comparing apples to kumquats. New loads tested finally.
Solid base. Very clean.
Laminarman- Posts : 74
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Re: Comparing apples to kumquats. New loads tested finally.
jglenn21 wrote:I'd sure load up some more of the 4.0 SNS to give it a real try..
are those SNS 200 the lube style bullet or the solid base
+1
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Re: Comparing apples to kumquats. New loads tested finally.
jglenn21 wrote:I'd sure load up some more of the 4.0 SNS to give it a real try..
are those SNS 200 the lube style bullet or the solid base
I think I'll do that for sure. I'm not sure if it's the bullet or crimp or both. But if the SNS seems to be the ticket I have 1,000 of them on hand and will use my supply of Penn bullets for practice. I re-checked, my Penn are target grade, not match grade. But in any event they vary wildly in weight from 199.5 or so to 206. Out of about 500 I weighed while watching TV, I got about 75 weighing 203.5. The rest seemed to be clustered around 202 and 204. I have no desire to sit and weigh bullets, that's for sure.
Laminarman- Posts : 74
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Re: Comparing apples to kumquats. New loads tested finally.
IIRC, our favorite Hawaiian gun plumber mentioned a few years back that there could be up to a 3 grain variance and they would still go into the same 1 1/2" group at 50 yards.
How's things going Ed? Miss you at Perry!
Al
How's things going Ed? Miss you at Perry!
Al
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Re: Comparing apples to kumquats. New loads tested finally.
Al wrote:IIRC, our favorite Hawaiian gun plumber mentioned a few years back that there could be up to a 3 grain variance and they would still go into the same 1 1/2" group at 50 yards.
How's things going Ed? Miss you at Perry!
Al
So basically I'm done weighing bullets
Laminarman- Posts : 74
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Re: Comparing apples to kumquats. New loads tested finally.
well maybe not
http://tonybrong.blogspot.com/2016/03/repost-consistency-product-of-adhearing.html
http://tonybrong.blogspot.com/2016/03/repost-consistency-product-of-adhearing.html
jglenn21- Posts : 2620
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Re: Comparing apples to kumquats. New loads tested finally.
And, it's where the void is in the bullet. Toward the outside causes instability in flight. To the front or rear a much less effect. Save the heavies for best. That's why I like swaged bullets.
james r chapman- Admin
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Re: Comparing apples to kumquats. New loads tested finally.
jglenn21 wrote:well maybe not
http://tonybrong.blogspot.com/2016/03/repost-consistency-product-of-adhearing.html
That was a great read. Thank you. I can see where this stuff becomes addictive.
Laminarman- Posts : 74
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Re: Comparing apples to kumquats. New loads tested finally.
james r chapman wrote:And, it's where the void is in the bullet. Toward the outside causes instability in flight. To the front or rear a much less effect. Save the heavies for best. That's why I like swaged bullets.
I don't understand. Are you saying weight variations are from a void? Makes sense. Mine have some very minor surface variations and some of the bases are irregular.
Laminarman- Posts : 74
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Re: Comparing apples to kumquats. New loads tested finally.
it could be, air pockets, debris, etc.
james r chapman- Admin
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Re: Comparing apples to kumquats. New loads tested finally.
what crimp, .970 does not compute. if that was really .470 then id tighten it up some to .468-69 you will get a better burn of the powder.
check out the load section good wst loads from great shooters listed;
https://www.bullseyeforum.net/t1209-pet-loads-of-top-shooters-loads-from-the-past
check out the load section good wst loads from great shooters listed;
https://www.bullseyeforum.net/t1209-pet-loads-of-top-shooters-loads-from-the-past
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Re: Comparing apples to kumquats. New loads tested finally.
DavidR wrote:what crimp, .970 does not compute. if that was really .470 then id tighten it up some to .468-69 you will get a better burn of the powder.
check out the load section good wst loads from great shooters listed;
https://www.bullseyeforum.net/t1209-pet-loads-of-top-shooters-loads-from-the-past
Oooops. .470. I was planning on 3.9 and 4.0 of WST in both .470 and .468 and see if there's a difference. Thank you.
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