Pardini SP help

My poor little Ruger MKII; I purchased in 1989 was comfortable but exhibiting age issues.  A broken weld in the frame for the bolt stop pin along with a loose barrel to frame engagement, forced me to buy something new.  Champion's Choice in TN sold me the Pardini SPBE.  I ordered Warne rings to mount my Matchdot II per suggestions I had read on this forum that a CZ 550 ring would work great.  They will be delivered today ... I hope.  But now to describe my chagrin ...

I shoot an indoor league in the winter here in Louisville.  Last night with new gun in hand and on a practice night at the range, I planned on sighting in the iron sights and watching my counterparts drool at the sight of a NEW GUN.  OK don't laugh ... too loud ... but the Pardini manual lacks a lot to be desired.  Multiple languages is OK, but to leave out little details like ... hey there is button on the bottom that will hold the bolt back or dry firing is permitted with the dry fire plug, seems a little scant on details.  Someone mentioned a cleaning regiment on another post, but I did not see that in the manual either.  

I loaded some Aguilla pistol match and at a 50-foot paper target I am shooting almost off the paper with a 6 o'clock hold.  Wow, and I worked so hard to get "sharpshooter" with the Ruger.  I pulled out the little screwdriver and rolled 2-clicks down.  Same.  2-clicks more.  Same.  2-clicks more ... now all all the holes are on the paper.  By the way ... the Pardini advanced forward wrist angle and the use of a sand bag is ... not a good idea.  Needless to say, I left the range, frustrated.

Get a 25cal brush and only clean the chamber. No need to clean a 22 barrel

Link to some pics to adjust pardini trigger......now enjoy 54.7 hours  of trigger adjust to find what you want.

http://www.targettalk.org/viewtopic.php?t=19268

Horton can make a 1911 angle or 1911 grip for the pardini in wood. The 3dprint guy can do it in plastic for cheaper

OK, I guess I am really green or anal-retentive on cleaning.  No need to clean a 22 barrel?

I heard the 25 cal brush suggestion last night at the range ... I'll get one today.

Sounds like your not a fan of the Pardini grip angle.  I will admit ... hard on wrist.

hbeiro wrote:OK, I guess I am really green or anal-retentive on cleaning.  No need to clean a 22 barrel?

I heard the 25 cal brush suggestion last night at the range ... I'll get one today.

Sounds like your not a fan of the Pardini grip angle.  I will admit ... hard on wrist.

Keep it to lead bullets.  Try taking some weights out and give it a try

hbeiro wrote:OK, I guess I am really green or anal-retentive on cleaning.  No need to clean a 22 barrel?

More 22lr barrels are ruined by cleaning than anything else.  If you just can't stop from cleaning it remove the brush from a bore snake and use just the cloth part.

How to remove a bore snake brush. 

- Dave

Give it time. Anytime you use new equipment or change something in your process, it takes time to evaluate. When I got my Pardini my scores initially dropped but after a few matches I was setting personal bests and now I love it.

Note: I got a Horton grip but kept the Euro angle. I kind of like it. Doesn't seem to be difficult going from that to the 1911 and back. Personal preference.

Horton can also build a less extreme angle grip for the Pardini. I have the 1911 angle on it right now but it is irritating my tennis elbow. A more international angle seems to help some people.


My only 100-10x was shot with the Pardini and stock grip. But I was trying to get the gun more 1911 like for consistency.

Yes, the manual is a bit thin on details.  We're here to help. There is a table in the back of the manual that includes "SPOSTAMENTO PER CLIC  -- adjustment click".  For the SP/HP it is 5mm.  Since that's at 25m, your clicks at 50ft are not going to move the point of impact very much.  If the gun was fresh from the factory, it was almost certainly simply centered in the adjustment range.

The wrist angle is not an accident.  That's not to say you shouldn't change it to your personal preference but you should give it some time.  I have a Rink grip with the stock Pardini grip angle, a Dick Horton made to match the GT45 grip angle and the Rink "steep" version.  (None of these are as steep as a 1911 grip angle.) When changing from one to another there is a period of adjustment but my match scores are unaffected.

I'm sure it's just me but my .22LR scores went up dramatically when I switched from a S&W Model 41 to the Pardini.  I'm convinced the difference was that the quality of the trigger gave me the feedback I needed to resolve trigger squeeze issues that I wasn't aware of.  I urge you to spend some dry-fire time making sure you get the feel of the full trigger pull and release: Slack (free play), first stage travel, 2nd stage contact, 2nd stage travel, hammer fall, over-travel.  Then, with slow trigger release, notice trigger travel distance, sound and feel of reset. Go shoot some paper plates (i.e. no distracting scoring rings) with intense focus on trigger pull.  I'll bet your next scoring session will be a pleasant surprise.

Sight adjustments for Pardini SP
One click equals:
5mm @ 25 meters
.18" @ 25 yards
.12" @ 50 feet

At the outset, three grandkids in a high risk paper cut environment this morning, followed by "mousetrap", Legos, and installing batteries took the rest of the day.  It was fun and exhausting. 

Wow ... this forum is definitely what I needed!  Information from shooters who have earned the t-shirt; been there done that.


First 4"/0.12" is 33 or 34 clicks!  No wonder I'm no where centered.  Patience will be the virtue.


Second, Warne scope rings #14BM came in!  That's tomorrow morning's project.



Paper plates ... hmmm ... you are right as all my shots are high and left.  I suspect an interrupted trigger pull and poor sighting.  My old eyes have enjoyed the Matchdot II.  Iron sights are not my favorite now.


Last before I go put some sleepy wired kids to bed, thanks for the positive spin.  I take advice well ... maybe I can be honored to meet some of you in person.  More tomorrow ... as the saga continues.

Oh a quick question; I generally use 0.095"  weed whacker line about 10" long to push a patch through the barrel
from the chamber to the barrel exit.  My favorite is Microlon Gunjuice.  Before I clean my new gun ... any advice?  Like DON'T!
I got the 25 cal brush as suggested

hbeiro wrote:Oh a quick question; I generally use 0.095"  weed whacker line about 10" long to push a patch through the barrel
from the chamber to the barrel exit.  My favorite is Microlon Gunjuice.  Before I clean my new gun ... any advice?  Like DON'T!
I got the 25 cal brush as suggested

After you clean it run some dry patches through it. Also might take a few rounds to season the barrel

I don't think the 25 cal brush thing is a good idea. You don't really need to clean the barrel at all. Chamber cleaning is sometimes needed to remove built up carbon, but an overnight soaking with Kroil on a patch or wad of cotton in the chamber followed by a Q-tip is all that is needed. A member of my club ruined a Pardini barrel by over cleaning.

Lol.  There's a lot of superstition about cleaning so...
If you think you need to clean after every 100 rounds... they will medicate for that.
If you think you will clean your Pardini once-per-year, you probably need a S&W Model 41.

We have a local former HM .22LR National Champion who shoots Pardini pistols and he advises keeping them clean for proper function.  Keeping them clean means cleaning when they are dirty.  It's not that complicated.

(Not trying to offend... dry humor sometimes isn't easily communicated with typed prose.)
Glen

Nope ... no offense taken.  I just need to re-calibrate my thinking on cleaning.  Our pistol chairman shoots a S&W 41.  He only cleans when something goes wrong, FTE primarily.

Kroil ... heard of it, never used it.  I'll calm down.  Focus on the trigger.

The 25 cal brush is just for the chamber.

I bend the end to chamber length then simply rotate it in the chamber

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Lots of good info here on rim fire barrels.  http://www.rrdvegas.com/rimfire-cleaning.html     


As to clean or not, most competing riflemen now clean their 22s.  I also know that some Benchrest shooters use Kroil to remove light copper in their barrels so any deposits from a 22 should be lifted by it as well.  


I wouldn't use a 25 cal bronze brush on a 22 anywhere.  Maybe nylon but certainly not bronze. 

if i shot copper in my 22 i would clean it.. lead. no need.    25 cal brush is for cleaning chamber crud.

In all of the years I have owned a Pardini I have only cleaned the face of the bolt and both ends of the barrel.  I may have ran a bore snake through it a dozen times in the last 20 years.  I never have needed to clean the chamber.  Most of the issues I have are when the bolt face gets too dirty.  So now I clean it before every match so it will be sure to function 100%.

The grip angle is not for everyone and I think depending on your history will determine what works best.  If you shoot more International then I think the normal grip angle is better.  If you started with a Ruger or model 41 then you may want to stay with a similar grip angle.

I like the standard grip angle because as you increase the grip angle more you get less side to side movement and your wrist will lock in sort of.

Hey Wobbley thanks for posting the link to bore cleaning rim fires.  Very good read.

U R welcome

I bought an SPBE about two years ago as a backup to my 41.  Since then my primary pistol (my 41) hasn't seen a match except for the 3 22 EIC matches I have shot.  I shot it almost an entire year with nothing more than cleaning what I could with a wet q-tip before it gave me any problems.  I have been shooting SK exclusively outdoors and it's definitely softer than Eley target.  Opened a new case of SK and had all kinds of problems.  Took it apart and it was pretty gummed up inside.  Did a thorough cleaning and I think I'm good now.

As far as the grip I glued a 1/16" shim at the top back of the grip where it contacts the frame.  This lowers the front of the barrel down ever so slightly and made it more comfortable for me.

For me my high scores only increased by one point both indoor and out but I am more consistent with the Pardini.

Trigger is extremely adjustable.  When you make adjustments record what you turned and how much you turned it so you can get back to where you were in case you don;t like what you did.

Scott

When I started bullseye, I shot my beloved 7-in barrel model 41; at that time the pistol was 40+ years old and rarely hiccuped with high velocity ammo (~1240), but I kept getting failures to eject the brass cleanly when using standard velocity ammo, even with a reduced weight recoil spring. I tried replacing extractor and spring, but no change.

I made the mistake of shooting a friends Pardini SP and ultimately got one. My score went up 30 points practically overnight (no kidding). After a year, I decided to try a Horton grip and Dick talked me into getting the lower rake version. My score slowly dropped an average 20 points. On a hunch, I went back to the original Pardini grip, and almost immediately my scores went back up.

I'm probably going to sell the Horton grip, which hurts because the grip is so lovely and fits my hand well. My advice is if you are continuing to improve, don't change. dipnet

The Rimfire Research article was insightful.  WOW.  Thank you.

The Pardini grip takes getting used to.  I shot a 259-4X last Friday night (out of 300 of course) and must say ...I do not know this trigger yet.  First four shots were 10s!  I must have let the excitement get me ... I lost concentration and struggled.  I am very happy with my purchase.  I am not anxious to change weights or trigger ... yet.  Its still the honeymoon.

Update.  Shot first indoor match with a 525-5X (600).  So far this year with the Ruger about 500!  Shot Thursday night in a practice match, 535-5X (600).  This Pardini is not broke in yet, but we are both getting broke in.  One of my Timed fire targets ... 99/100!  a personal best.

Thanks to all who posted.  All comments were positive and encouraging.