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My Luck Is Terrible!!
by sawacs Fri Jan 20, 2017 6:42 pm
I just received my Ultra Match Grade 1911 barrel today for the R1.
When I initially inspected the barrel, I noticed there were a bunch of metal flakes left in the barrel. I said to myself wtf
I decided to run an oil soaked patch down the bore to clean everything out. Well, after a few patches, this is what was left in the Ultra Match Grade barrel...
When I run a Qtip down the barrel, it feels like I am sliding it across sand paper
On a final and brighter note, I must say the fit of the barrel was absolutely perfect with zero slop when locked up!
Anyhoot, I think I am going to keep the barrel I currently have in the R1 and call it good..
Cheers,
Shawn
When I initially inspected the barrel, I noticed there were a bunch of metal flakes left in the barrel. I said to myself wtf
I decided to run an oil soaked patch down the bore to clean everything out. Well, after a few patches, this is what was left in the Ultra Match Grade barrel...
When I run a Qtip down the barrel, it feels like I am sliding it across sand paper
On a final and brighter note, I must say the fit of the barrel was absolutely perfect with zero slop when locked up!
Anyhoot, I think I am going to keep the barrel I currently have in the R1 and call it good..
Cheers,
Shawn
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Re: My Luck Is Terrible!!
by sawacs Fri Jan 20, 2017 8:15 pm
Current sights on the R1 are the factory sights..
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Re: My Luck Is Terrible!!
by Magload Fri Jan 20, 2017 8:53 pm
What barrel is that and where did you get it if I may ask. I like my R1 and am going to use the frame for my Nelson conversion kit when it gets here. I was thinking it could use some trigger work for BE. Don
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Re: My Luck Is Terrible!!
by sawacs Fri Jan 20, 2017 9:09 pm
I sure hate to mention the name of who manufactured the barrel but I will say it is not a Kart, Barsto, Storm Lake, or one of the major pistol manufacturers barrels.Magload wrote:What barrel is that and where did you get it if I may ask. I like my R1 and am going to use the frame for my Nelson conversion kit when it gets here. I was thinking it could use some trigger work for BE. Don
The barrel was for my R1 to experiment with a match grade barrel and accuracy improvements that should follow with a match barrel combined with reloading.
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Re: My Luck Is Terrible!!
by Jon Eulette Fri Jan 20, 2017 9:15 pm
I've seen rough bored barrels shoot good. Not pretty to look at but if lands are good they can still group.
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Re: My Luck Is Terrible!!
by sawacs Fri Jan 20, 2017 9:22 pm
Jon Eulette wrote:I've seen rough bored barrels shoot good. Not pretty to look at but if lands are good they can still group.
Jon
I am sure you are correct that some of them can still shoot good. However, I paid good money for a match grade barrel not a sewer pipe. Besides, the sewer pipe barrel would always be in the back of my mind bugging me
Cheers!
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Re: My Luck Is Terrible!!
by Jon Eulette Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:17 pm
If you're going to trash can it, send it to me. I'll see if it shoots! Good R&D barrel ;l)
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Re: My Luck Is Terrible!!
by sawacs Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:31 pm
Trash a perfectly bad barrel? Wutt?Jon Eulette wrote:If you're going to trash can it, send it to me. I'll see if it shoots! Good R&D barrel ;l)
Jon
I think a refund would be a better course of action
Cheers!
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Re: My Luck Is Terrible!!
by Jon Eulette Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:52 pm
sawacs wrote:Trash a perfectly bad barrel? Wutt?Jon Eulette wrote:If you're going to trash can it, send it to me. I'll see if it shoots! Good R&D barrel ;l)
Jon
I think a refund would be a better course of action
Cheers!
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Re: My Luck Is Terrible!!
by jmdavis Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:55 pm
John, might a couple of hundred rounds of JHP and some JB, get that barrel in shape?
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Re: My Luck Is Terrible!!
by Jon Eulette Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:00 am
Quite possibly. I've welded up old Colts that had extra grooves (not really that bad) in thegrooves and got 1.5" with Federal match. It would smooth up eventually. I know Jerry believes in nice smooth barrels (so do I) but in my experience if tolerances are good they will still shoot good. 45 acp is pretty darn forgiving.
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Re: My Luck Is Terrible!!
by Chris Miceli Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:03 am
Jerry once posted something about barrels after they were finished from the factory ...I can't remember what he wrote....sorry I wasn't very helpful but it's somewhere on this forumjmdavis wrote:John, might a couple of hundred rounds of JHP and some JB, get that barrel in shape?
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Re: My Luck Is Terrible!!
by sawacs Sat Jan 21, 2017 6:17 am
What would you gents recommend I do with this barrel? Swap it out? I don't know enough about brand new 1911 barrels to make the call without input from the experts.
Thanks,
Shawn
Thanks,
Shawn
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Re: My Luck Is Terrible!!
by Wobbley Sat Jan 21, 2017 7:41 am
The barrel was cut rifled. Perhaps by a broach. It can and probably shoot ok. The chamber and throat looks like it could use a touch up too.
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Re: My Luck Is Terrible!!
by BE Mike Sat Jan 21, 2017 8:47 am
This isn't right. I would worry about an overabundance of leading or copper fouling. I would contact the barrel maker to see about having them fix or replace the barrel. When you buy a new car, would you expect the paint to be acceptable if it were wrinkled?
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Re: My Luck Is Terrible!!
by Chris Miceli Sat Jan 21, 2017 8:49 am
Send it to dave sams and he will put it in barrel treat fixture for a fee. If it groups use it.sawacs wrote:What would you gents recommend I do with this barrel? Swap it out? I don't know enough about brand new 1911 barrels to make the call without input from the experts.
Thanks,
Shawn
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Re: My Luck Is Terrible!!
by Bigtrout Sat Jan 21, 2017 9:14 am
It looks like my S&W 986 barrel that had burrs from the forcing cone dragged through the bore during, most probably, the first few rounds fired. After 6 months of arguing, 4 returns to S&W, 2 S&W claims the barrel was replaced, the barrel was finally changed after a letter of complaint to the CEO. The new barrel reduced group size by 30%. I feel your pain.
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Re: My Luck Is Terrible!!
by james r chapman Sat Jan 21, 2017 9:21 am
Maybe it wasn't finished. QC misses a few every where.
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Re: My Luck Is Terrible!!
by jglenn21 Sat Jan 21, 2017 10:34 am
"Ultra Match Grade" makes me think of only one brand..
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Re: My Luck Is Terrible!!
by Mac2 Sat Jan 21, 2017 7:22 pm
A brief Google search uncovered several barrel manufacturers using that sort of tag. I may check the trademark data base, but the term seems much too generic - to the point of having little meaning. Mac
Checked: not in trademark data. Most close is an old Federal registration for ammo.
Checked: not in trademark data. Most close is an old Federal registration for ammo.
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Re: My Luck Is Terrible!!
by Chris Miceli Sat Jan 21, 2017 7:27 pm
Contact the manufacturer, if you got it from brownells they will take the return
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Re: My Luck Is Terrible!!
by sawacs Sat Jan 21, 2017 7:42 pm
Edit: Rather than get a refund, I am going to give the manufacturer a chance to make things correct. They admitted that the barrel was not right and slipped past the QC process: they are sending another one out. Hopefully, things will work out with round two especially since the barrel was turning out to be a really great fit with very little smithing required.
The barrel is in the mail heading back for a refund.
Thanks,
Shawn
Thanks,
Shawn
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