Question for Pardini guys.

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I'm getting out of 3P and selling my rifle so I'll have a chunk of cash to invest in bullseye gear. I currently shoot a Nelson conversion for .22 and a 1911 in .45 for both CF and .45. I'm on my 3rd season and am still fighting recoil induced error in the .45, when running it 2 matches in a row it can get pretty frustrating especially on bad days.

I've been reading more about the .32acp and it looks amazing, 50% more recoil than a .22lr and down to 1" accuracy at 50 yards with the Hornady 60 grain XTP.

I talked to Vladamir at PardiniUSA today and he was helpful however I'll be honest I was having a bit of a hard time with his accent. His English is better than my Russian lol but I was having a bit of a hard time getting in depth with him on some issues.

I understand the SP starts as a .22 and the HP starts as a .32. The SP has a conversion for .32 and the HP has a conversion for .22, both have bullseye options with heavier bolts for 50 yard accuracy.

 What I don't understand is what the advantage is of going with the SP or HP and buying the conversion to allow both calibers. What I'm getting at is if you plan on using the Pardini for both calibers which is better the SP or HP.

Honestly what draws me to the Pardini is the .32acp caliber so part of me wants to pass up the 22 conversion all together and stick with the nelson but another part of me thinks I'll regret it later if I don't get it in both calibers. It would be nice to shoot the same pistol for .22 and CF with a slight elevation adjustment.

Found a Pardini 32 on GunBroker but it looks like it is going to go for over 2K and just can't bring myself to bid that much on a used gun.  It really looked nice.  Don

Careful too it appears it may have an XL size grip. It also hasn't hit the reserve yet.

Guys,
If you are referring to item 646939485... you need to be cautious.  From what I can see in the pictures, the frame and bolt/barrel are .32 W.C.  (i.e. NOT .32ACP)  The Gun Broker listing specifically calls it .32 W.C.  My bolt is marked .32ACP on the top of the bolt "wings" but there are no pictures in the listing showing that view.  I think the frame is compatible with the .32ACP conversion but it's more than 1000 serial numbers earlier than my 2014 model so it's hard to know.  

The grip is indeed size XL and in fact is a "Rink" grip rather than the stock Pardini grip.  The Pardini grips did not come in size XL when I bought mine.

That rail attaches to the barrel. The good news is that there are no issues with getting scope rings to fit and/or stay secure.  The bad news is that you don't "share" a scope if you shoot the same gun with two calibers.

If you want .32ACP, you have to view used Pardini's very carefully.  The .32ACP is almost exclusively a USA product.  (I think this caliber is illegal in Italy.)

Just trying to help.

I was getting ready to bid on this gun a couple days ago then caught the .32 WC not knowing there were two different guns I went to Pardini site to check it out.  Don

carykiteboarder wrote:To be clear, I haven't done any "original" work.  The 880fps came from the Pardini guys who load for their shooters.  So, my actual point is that the Pardini HP in .32ACP is easy to reload.  It is inherently accurate and functions in a wide band of velocities.

I use 2.1gr BE, Winchester primers, .895" OAL, .330" crimp, Starline brass and Hornady XTP 60gr JHP bullets.  Because most on-line vendors are sloppy, it's easy to get confused about the bullets.  The 60gr XTP bullets are .311".  I specifically bought dies for the .311" size bullet.

I tried VV N310 and BE and both were excellent.  I subjectively like the feel of BE a little better.  That's all I've got.
Glen

I just got the 32 ACP conversion to replace my 32 S&WL. Where do you get your .311 JHP's. I have only seen .312's. What dies did you get that are specifically for the .311 bullet? I appreciate any information.

Bill

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carykiteboarder wrote:To be clear, I haven't done any "original" work.  The 880fps came from the Pardini guys who load for their shooters.  So, my actual point is that the Pardini HP in .32ACP is easy to reload.  It is inherently accurate and functions in a wide band of velocities.

I use 2.1gr BE, Winchester primers, .895" OAL, .330" crimp, Starline brass and Hornady XTP 60gr JHP bullets.  Because most on-line vendors are sloppy, it's easy to get confused about the bullets.  The 60gr XTP bullets are .311".  I specifically bought dies for the .311" size bullet.

I tried VV N310 and BE and both were excellent.  I subjectively like the feel of BE a little better.  That's all I've got.
Glen

I just got the 32 ACP conversion to replace my 32 S&WL. Where do you get your .311 JHP's. I have only seen .312's. What dies did you get that are specifically for the .311 bullet? I appreciate any information.

Bill

http://targettalk.org/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=42516

http://m.hornady.com/store/32-Cal-.312-60-gr-HP-XTP/

all the 60 xtp I own say .311 maybe they changed something? Or the .312 still measure .311

Same sku # 32010 on my .311 as the .312 labeled stuff

Greetings,

The Hornady 60 XTP I have measure both 0.311" and 0.312".

The latest batches coming from MidwayUSA measure 0.311".

The above variations and the "all-over-the-map" dimensions of the 32 ACP brass have caused me much grief. Wall thickness and wall uniformity have been poor.

I even have two different lots of Hornady Custom once fired brass that has different wall thicknesses.

Try to buy 500-1000 cases of the same lot number. You will not have much fun using Range Pickup brass.

Then, buy a sizing die to match the bullet/brass combination.

Final rant, remember that the PardiniUSA barrels are 0.314" groove diameter. With a 0.311" jacketed bullet you get a lot of gas blow-by. This event really makes cleaning the barrel difficult if you do not clean after each 100 rounds. A fellow shooter fired about 400 rounds without proper barrel cleaning. It took quite a while to remove the burned on crud.

Cheers,

Dave

I just got the 32 ACP conversion to replace my 32 S&WL. Where do you get your .311 JHP's. I have only seen .312's. What dies did you get that are specifically for the .311 bullet? I appreciate any information.

Bill

I tried to communicate this without belaboring it but that obviously didn't work.  I believe the Hornady XTP 60gr JHP bullets are .311" despite what MidwayUSA, Brownells, (many other) and even Hornady websites say.  Every box of those bullets I've ever seen has been marked .311" with sku #32010.  The 85gr bullets (#32050) and 100gr bullets (#032070) are .312".  Most on-line vendors are using generic photos and data.  Here's a vendor with actual pictures of the boxes.  Look at the labels:
  
http://www.evergladesammo.com/32-cal-60-gr-xtp-100ct-hornady-32010.html

I use Hornady dies for .32acp.  I use the .311" expander die. See...

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/631032/hornady-custom-grade-new-dimension-expander-die-32-acp-311-diameter

Glen