Why no Desert Eagle in 45ACP?
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Why no Desert Eagle in 45ACP?
Would the Desert Eagle design and operation be a negative or positive for 45ACP target shooting?
Is the lack of a 45 option because the gas piston system need magnum cartridges to operate reliably? Or is it just because the DE image is for magnums?
Is the lack of a 45 option because the gas piston system need magnum cartridges to operate reliably? Or is it just because the DE image is for magnums?
Slartybartfast- Posts : 694
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Re: Why no Desert Eagle in 45ACP?
The only one I ever shot had a terrible trigger and was not very accurate. It was very big and very heavy. I saw no qualities that would recommend the gun as a target arm.
Boxturtle- Posts : 244
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Re: Why no Desert Eagle in 45ACP?
I would leave it for the movie sets, no redeeming qualities I can see.
zanemoseley- Posts : 2688
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Re: Why no Desert Eagle in 45ACP?
Magnum Research makes a 1911 in .45. It's the standard design 1911 labeled "Desert Eagle." Not that like that wonky Desert Eagle 44 and 50 pistol.
http://www.magnumresearch.com/Firearms/Magnum-Research-Desert-Eagle-1911-G-Model.asp
http://www.magnumresearch.com/Firearms/Magnum-Research-Desert-Eagle-1911-G-Model.asp
Jblaw- Posts : 10
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Re: Why no Desert Eagle in 45ACP?
Strap them kids in, give 'em a
little bit o' Benadryl and a
Cherry Coke, we're going to
Oklahoma for the
family reunion...
(Sorry, that's the first thing that comes to mind when someone mentions "Desert Eagle")
little bit o' Benadryl and a
Cherry Coke, we're going to
Oklahoma for the
family reunion...
(Sorry, that's the first thing that comes to mind when someone mentions "Desert Eagle")
john bickar- Posts : 2269
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Re: Why no Desert Eagle in 45ACP?
Yep. That's "one great big ole pistol" ! Give my regards to uncle Slayton.
JKR- Posts : 763
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Re: Why no Desert Eagle in 45ACP?
I was wondering more in general terms if a good target pistol could be built around the fixed barrel and gas piston design.Boxturtle wrote:The only one I ever shot had a terrible trigger and was not very accurate. It was very big and very heavy. I saw no qualities that would recommend the gun as a target arm.
Slartybartfast- Posts : 694
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Re: Why no Desert Eagle in 45ACP?
john bickar wrote:Strap them kids in, give 'em a
little bit o' Benadryl and a
Cherry Coke, we're going to
Oklahoma for the
family reunion...
(Sorry, that's the first thing that comes to mind when someone mentions "Desert Eagle")
"A bad ass pistol made by.....
Bad Ass Hebrews"
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Re: Why no Desert Eagle in 45ACP?
Fixed barrel is a very desirable trait, and one that is often incorporated in target guns. I have several 22 LR pistols, Ruger Mk II, S&W M41, Beretta 76W, all using fixed barrels. Fixed barrels are also found in centerfire target pistols, such as the Walther GSP.
Gas operation is often used in the operation of guns firing higher pressure ammunition. The M1911 has been modified into a gas-operated gun (more accurately, gas dampened):
http://www.ncggasgun.com/
Gas operation tends to be bulky. The additional operations are not needed in bullseye guns, which are adequately served by recoil operation.
I know of no reason why a successful gas-operated bullseye target pistol couldn't be built, but I'm also unaware of any compelling reason to do so. Other target sports that use higher-powered ammunition might find advantage in gas operated handguns.
Gas operation is often used in the operation of guns firing higher pressure ammunition. The M1911 has been modified into a gas-operated gun (more accurately, gas dampened):
http://www.ncggasgun.com/
Gas operation tends to be bulky. The additional operations are not needed in bullseye guns, which are adequately served by recoil operation.
I know of no reason why a successful gas-operated bullseye target pistol couldn't be built, but I'm also unaware of any compelling reason to do so. Other target sports that use higher-powered ammunition might find advantage in gas operated handguns.
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Boxturtle- Posts : 244
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Re: Why no Desert Eagle in 45ACP?
The NC website claims their gas 1911 shoots 1" groups @ 50yds with all shots touching. Does anyone on the forum have one?
SmokinNJokin- Posts : 850
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Re: Why no Desert Eagle in 45ACP?
One of the fundamental reasons 90% of the 45s on the line are 1911s is that the DCM then CMP had “Service Pistol” matches requiring the use of a 1911. So we learned how to make them shoot yet still look like a 1911.
That said, fixed barrel and rotating barrel pistols in 45 as well as gas “influenced” (delaying or operated) pistols have been made and marketed. None have caught on. Savage was a finalist with a rotating barrel semi- blowback pistol for the US Army trials in 1907. It was more than adequately accurate. But lost out due to stoppages and parts breakage. HiPoint make a blowback fixed barrel 45. The slide is massive and the frame is plastic to keep the weight down. From a rest, it’s accurate but is brutal to fire. could a gun be made that is gas operated fixed barrel and an accurate target pistol? Sure, and H&K had a prototype P7 in 45. But it never went very far as the military and police overwhelmingly favor 9mm. Put a frame mounted dot and I bet it would shoot very well.
As always, YMMV.
That said, fixed barrel and rotating barrel pistols in 45 as well as gas “influenced” (delaying or operated) pistols have been made and marketed. None have caught on. Savage was a finalist with a rotating barrel semi- blowback pistol for the US Army trials in 1907. It was more than adequately accurate. But lost out due to stoppages and parts breakage. HiPoint make a blowback fixed barrel 45. The slide is massive and the frame is plastic to keep the weight down. From a rest, it’s accurate but is brutal to fire. could a gun be made that is gas operated fixed barrel and an accurate target pistol? Sure, and H&K had a prototype P7 in 45. But it never went very far as the military and police overwhelmingly favor 9mm. Put a frame mounted dot and I bet it would shoot very well.
As always, YMMV.
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Re: Why no Desert Eagle in 45ACP?
website hasn't been updated in 13 yearsSmokinNJokin wrote:The NC website claims their gas 1911 shoots 1" groups @ 50yds with all shots touching. Does anyone on the forum have one?
Aprilian- Posts : 987
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Re: Why no Desert Eagle in 45ACP?
Thats too bad, looks like exactly what a bullseye shooter would want, fixed barrel .45 with virtually no wear. I wonder if they had reliability issues or just never caught on or what.
SmokinNJokin- Posts : 850
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Re: Why no Desert Eagle in 45ACP?
That's my understanding. And pretty much what I wrote in the thread about the superb Wilson Bullseye match pistol.Wobbley wrote:One of the fundamental reasons 90% of the 45s on the line are 1911s is that the DCM then CMP had “Service Pistol” matches requiring the use of a 1911. So we learned how to make them shoot yet still look like a 1911.
I guess tradition will hold back other contenders for a long time, but when I do come across actions and triggers and the like that I'm unfamiliar with I wonder what plusses and minuses they could have to build a purpose built bullseye gun.
Without the tradition of 1911s being required, what might the evolution of bullseye 45s have been?
Slartybartfast- Posts : 694
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Re: Why no Desert Eagle in 45ACP?
The Savage sure looks like an interesting design. Incredible picture of flames coming out all over:
http://www.forgottenweapons.com/early-automatic-pistols/savage-45/
http://www.forgottenweapons.com/early-automatic-pistols/savage-45/
Slartybartfast- Posts : 694
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Re: Why no Desert Eagle in 45ACP?
Slartybartfast wrote:
I guess tradition will hold back other contenders for a long time, but when I do come across actions and triggers and the like that I'm unfamiliar with I wonder what plusses and minuses they could have to build a purpose built bullseye gun.
Without the tradition of 1911s being required, what might the evolution of bullseye 45s have been?
Not so much tradition as economics. There’s the Pardini and the Tanfoglio but even without the tradition it’s a hard niche to service even in non-Bullseye games. S&W tried with the 745, Glock has a 45, Sig-Sauer has a 45, maybe a few others. But few have been successful even denting the 1911’s dominance in pistol shooting. Everybody and their dog know how to make a 1911 shoot, the others, not so much.
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