Reason for Two Different Loads?
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Reason for Two Different Loads?
I've read that some folks use two different loads; one for 50 yards, and one for 25 yards. Why? Is this just so you don't have to adjust sights between the two distances?
mpolans- Posts : 606
Join date : 2016-05-27
Re: Reason for Two Different Loads?
Recoil! Sustained fire is a bit easier to shoot with less recoil. 50 yards requires more velocity to get the bullets to group so they are pushed faster. More recoil requires more consistent grip to shoot well. AMU guys shoot everyday so they are better conditioned for it. Younger too. Us part time shooters have to work harder to get the same results. So the softer loads are more forgiving and less fatiguing to shoot. Yes I have to still make sight adjustments.
Jon
Jon
Jon Eulette- Posts : 4399
Join date : 2013-04-15
Location : Southern Kalifornia
Re: Reason for Two Different Loads?
In addition to what Jon said, my 50 yard load is more expensive and wears my barrel more than my 25 yard load (for .45). I shoot jacketed at 50 and lead at 25.
For .22, my 50 yard match lot is a limited supply, and doesn’t function 100% for sustained fire. 25 yards I can pick pretty much anything from my inventory and shoot 8-9x cleans. (10x is rarer than hens’ teeth for some reason )
Sight adjustments go in your journal. You DO have a journal, correct?
For .22, my 50 yard match lot is a limited supply, and doesn’t function 100% for sustained fire. 25 yards I can pick pretty much anything from my inventory and shoot 8-9x cleans. (10x is rarer than hens’ teeth for some reason )
Sight adjustments go in your journal. You DO have a journal, correct?
john bickar- Posts : 2280
Join date : 2011-07-09
Age : 100
Location : Menlo Park, CA
Re: Reason for Two Different Loads?
Come on let's be honest here. How many of you only have "two" different loads? Have to have some 230gr ball loads. And some 200g JHP, 200gr L-SWC, 185gr JHP-Zero-Nosler-Hornady, 185gr L-SWC, 185gr L-SWCHP and some 160 gr your trying to make work. Have to have different powder loads for winter and summer. That sounds about right for 45. Then there is 9mm, 38 Super, 38 Special …...two would be so nice sometimes
LenV- Posts : 4770
Join date : 2014-01-24
Age : 74
Location : Oregon
Re: Reason for Two Different Loads?
Ditto... light load, less recoil, easier deal for sustained fire. It just so happens that my light load also shoots very well for 50 yards too. No need for more umph in my gun.
Tim:H11- Posts : 2133
Join date : 2015-11-04
Age : 36
Location : Midland, GA
Re: Reason for Two Different Loads?
LenV wrote:Come on let's be honest here. How many of you only have "two" different loads? Have to have some 230gr ball loads. And some 200g JHP, 200gr L-SWC, 185gr JHP-Zero-Nosler-Hornady, 185gr L-SWC, 185gr L-SWCHP and some 160 gr your trying to make work. Have to have different powder loads for winter and summer. That sounds about right for 45. Then there is 9mm, 38 Super, 38 Special …...two would be so nice sometimes
Ditto.... Ammo loaded for a Gold Cup, ammo loaded for a Clark Hardballer, ammo loaded for... practice ammo, match ammo, different bullets, different bullet makes... experiments with different powders...
Who in the heck just has two?
Wobbley- Admin
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Join date : 2015-02-12
Re: Reason for Two Different Loads?
Greetings,
My "Journal" does not contain sight adjustments. Only names and addresses of local restaurants.
Cheers,
Dave
My "Journal" does not contain sight adjustments. Only names and addresses of local restaurants.
Cheers,
Dave
fc60- Posts : 1459
Join date : 2011-06-11
Location : South Prairie, WA 98385
Re: Reason for Two Different Loads?
Lol!
If your hobby is Bullseye shooting, you can find a compromise single load for your .45. (If you are expert trying to make master, you might work on a softer 25yd load to find a few more points in sustained fire. If you are high master, you're not asking the question.)
If your hobby is reloading, you will need more than two loads for each gun as described by LenV.
Some people reload to shoot; some people shoot to reload. Then there are those that shoot if the sun is shining and reload if it's not.
Glen
If your hobby is Bullseye shooting, you can find a compromise single load for your .45. (If you are expert trying to make master, you might work on a softer 25yd load to find a few more points in sustained fire. If you are high master, you're not asking the question.)
If your hobby is reloading, you will need more than two loads for each gun as described by LenV.
Some people reload to shoot; some people shoot to reload. Then there are those that shoot if the sun is shining and reload if it's not.
Glen
carykiteboarder- Posts : 182
Join date : 2014-10-29
Location : North Carolina
Re: Reason for Two Different Loads?
Many just don't want to adjust sights or dots so they find a good 50 yd load then find one that hopefully hits X at 25 with the same settings
DavidR- Admin
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Re: Reason for Two Different Loads?
Okay. I didn't realize it was primarily a recoil thing for most folks.
mpolans- Posts : 606
Join date : 2016-05-27
Re: Reason for Two Different Loads?
carykiteboarder wrote:Lol!
If your hobby is Bullseye shooting, you can find a compromise single load for your .45. (If you are expert trying to make master, you might work on a softer 25yd load to find a few more points in sustained fire. If you are high master, you're not asking the question.)
...says the not high master,
Aufidius- Posts : 87
Join date : 2018-02-02
Re: Reason for Two Different Loads?
For a couple years I shot only one load, Montana Gold 185 JHP and 4.6 Titegroup for both wadgun and ballgun. I have so much lead now I cast a 200gr SWC for my wadgun.
Question for those who shoot JHP at 50 and lead at 25. Do you have any issues with impacts at 50 after shooting lead at 25? For instance the 50 yard 45 caliber slow fire match after the centerfire 900 agg, or the 50 yard target team match at Perry after shooting lead?
Question for those who shoot JHP at 50 and lead at 25. Do you have any issues with impacts at 50 after shooting lead at 25? For instance the 50 yard 45 caliber slow fire match after the centerfire 900 agg, or the 50 yard target team match at Perry after shooting lead?
Ghillieman- Posts : 468
Join date : 2012-02-14
Location : TEXAS
Re: Reason for Two Different Loads?
I always run a chore boy brush followed by a bore snake through my bore between CF and 45. Did that even when I was shooting lead for both lines. Don't know if it helps or not, but I know it doesn't hurt.Ghillieman wrote:For a couple years I shot only one load, Montana Gold 185 JHP and 4.6 Titegroup for both wadgun and ballgun. I have so much lead now I cast a 200gr SWC for my wadgun.
Question for those who shoot JHP at 50 and lead at 25. Do you have any issues with impacts at 50 after shooting lead at 25? For instance the 50 yard 45 caliber slow fire match after the centerfire 900 agg, or the 50 yard target team match at Perry after shooting lead?
I developed 2 different loads because I couldn't count on any of my Ultradots tracking between 25 & 50. Had 4 of them at that time, now using 8 of them. Would make the correction & then have to put several rounds through before the adjustment held. Still love the UD's but don't trust the tracking.
Had the same issue this last weekend at our regional. Took me 1/2 way through the second slow fire to get adjusted in. I've been shooting indoors since last august (we have a 50 meter indoor range), so I knew there was going to be adjustments needed. But I was there to see the guys, trade insults, & have a great time, not to walk away with any medals.
Don't know if he still monitors the list, but it was really good to see you again Bill, AZ seems to agree with you.
Al
Al- Posts : 651
Join date : 2011-06-10
Age : 69
Location : Bismarck, ND
Re: Reason for Two Different Loads?
Al, Ultradots tracking problem can usually be taken care of by over cranking. If I have to go down 4 clicks from 50 to 25 then I bring it down 6 and back up 2. I have also noticed that dot is a little slow at following changes.
Len
Len
LenV- Posts : 4770
Join date : 2014-01-24
Age : 74
Location : Oregon
Re: Reason for Two Different Loads?
LenV wrote:Al, Ultradots tracking problem can usually be taken care of by over cranking. If I have to go down 4 clicks from 50 to 25 then I bring it down 6 and back up 2. I have also noticed that dot is a little slow at following changes.
Len
Yup, doing that now. Always make my adjustments so that when I make the final clicks I'm going clockwise into the threads.
Al- Posts : 651
Join date : 2011-06-10
Age : 69
Location : Bismarck, ND
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