Ransom rest results vs shooting off the bench.
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Ransom rest results vs shooting off the bench.
I was always curious about the difference between ransom rest results (especially when they are claimed by a gun maker) vs. results of shooting from a bench just resting Your arms.resting on the bench.groups.
This morning , I shot my 952-2 at 50 yards with 147 Federal HST. I set on a chair , rested my forearms on the bench and just shot several ten shot groups . All groups where 3.1/4 -3.3/4 " with no flyers.
How much better should this gun do with the same ammo from a ransom rest?
This morning , I shot my 952-2 at 50 yards with 147 Federal HST. I set on a chair , rested my forearms on the bench and just shot several ten shot groups . All groups where 3.1/4 -3.3/4 " with no flyers.
How much better should this gun do with the same ammo from a ransom rest?
Sheriff1962- Posts : 176
Join date : 2018-07-04
Re: Ransom rest results vs shooting off the bench.
I would say that it depends on how good your eyes are. I like to put a larger power pistol scope on any pistol I test off the bench that way. I notice the groups tighten down a bunch if I don't have to depend on seeing the front sight clearly. But I'm 68, you might have perfect eyes.
Len
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LenV- Posts : 4769
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Re: Ransom rest results vs shooting off the bench.
I was not using any scope or red dot. Just sights. I wear glasses and my vision is ok.
Sheriff1962- Posts : 176
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Re: Ransom rest results vs shooting off the bench.
Just like offhand, depends who's running the RR or shooting from the bench. I too use a 4X scope when possible. My 50yd sand bag groups with the scope are typically 1/2"-1" larger than my RR groups.
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dronning- Posts : 2581
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Re: Ransom rest results vs shooting off the bench.
Using irons, not even close, with exceptions.
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Re: Ransom rest results vs shooting off the bench.
So basically if I get 3.5" groups at 50 yards off the bench using iron sights, gun will shoot much better using RR?
Sheriff1962- Posts : 176
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Re: Ransom rest results vs shooting off the bench.
Yes. Quality of pistol build will vary on grouping. It’s common to see 7-8 shots tightly clustered with 2-3 flyers just outside the group on a good match pistol. A lesser pistol will just have a group with minimal cluster of shots.Sheriff1962 wrote:So basically if I get 3.5" groups at 50 yards off the bench using iron sights, gun will shoot much better using RR?
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Jon Eulette- Posts : 4399
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Re: Ransom rest results vs shooting off the bench.
I will give you my experience.
I bought a ransom rest 2-3 months ago. I thought it was going to do two things.
1. Shoot consistently. I imagined that 10 shot groups would be relatively close as the human part of shooting would be removed.
2. Shoot better than I could.
Well, there is certainly a learning curve and I've had a dozen range sessions. I have followed ransom's instructions with mounting, and use 6 clamps on a concrete bench at the range. I use a shoestring to pull back the trigger bar, and make sure to bring the gun up and down like you see on accuracyx videos. Also, I use a cup of water and wait until it settles between each shot.
10 round groups very quite a bit. Sometimes my gun would shoot 2 inches, most times 3-4 inches. I have moved to 30 round groups, but these even are not as consistent as I would have thought.
I have shoot 10 round groups on a sandbag that equal the best ransom rest groups.
I would say that 3.5 inches at 50 yards is pretty good from your 952, a ransom rest might make some improvements, but it may be less than you'd think.
I am having my gun accurized by a good smith and imagine this will help with groups, but so far I haven't been really impressed with the ransom. Maybe I need a big 2 yard concrete base to see good results though, but I can't see this ever happening as I live in the city limits.
I bought a ransom rest 2-3 months ago. I thought it was going to do two things.
1. Shoot consistently. I imagined that 10 shot groups would be relatively close as the human part of shooting would be removed.
2. Shoot better than I could.
Well, there is certainly a learning curve and I've had a dozen range sessions. I have followed ransom's instructions with mounting, and use 6 clamps on a concrete bench at the range. I use a shoestring to pull back the trigger bar, and make sure to bring the gun up and down like you see on accuracyx videos. Also, I use a cup of water and wait until it settles between each shot.
10 round groups very quite a bit. Sometimes my gun would shoot 2 inches, most times 3-4 inches. I have moved to 30 round groups, but these even are not as consistent as I would have thought.
I have shoot 10 round groups on a sandbag that equal the best ransom rest groups.
I would say that 3.5 inches at 50 yards is pretty good from your 952, a ransom rest might make some improvements, but it may be less than you'd think.
I am having my gun accurized by a good smith and imagine this will help with groups, but so far I haven't been really impressed with the ransom. Maybe I need a big 2 yard concrete base to see good results though, but I can't see this ever happening as I live in the city limits.
Wmvdg123- Posts : 89
Join date : 2017-10-02
Re: Ransom rest results vs shooting off the bench.
Thank You for sharing. I myself never had a chance to use RR. I always tested my PPC and BE guns just by shooting them off the bench simply resting my forearms. Always use groups of 10 at 50 yards fired with iron sights. I read and watch videos of some custom gun makers showing accuracy of their guns by firing from RR with specific load. Makes me wonder , if a shooter takes the same gun with the same load and shoots 10 shots off the bench using iron sights, how close would they get to those 1.5 " groups at 50 yards.
Sheriff1962- Posts : 176
Join date : 2018-07-04
Re: Ransom rest results vs shooting off the bench.
Due to a lack of a proper bench to mount my RR to I have quit using it. With my modified Hyskore rest and a 4 power scope on a gun I can get petty go results. Good enough to tell if my reloads are good and the gun likes them. All those rounds to settle in a gun in a RR can be used for practice and not just fired down range. I normally run my labRadar at the same time as I shoot groups so I collect some petty good data and can often see why I am not getting good groups. BTW low numbers from the chrono don't always produce the best groups. Don
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