NRA is seeking competitor feedback!

Friends,

The NRA Competitions Pistol Department has asked me to post the following survey links for us to give them feedback. Myself and others have been telling NRA Competitions that they should seek more input from the competitors, so please participate.

National Pistol Championship 2018
https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/FBXV79R
 
1800 Questions
https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/FQ3C3T3

-Rob Kovach
Administrator
www.bullseyeforum.net

Isn’t the horse out of the barn already? Lol

You should take the survey.... they are asking questions regarding changes to the course of fire, dropping the NMC and decreasing from a 2700 to an 1800.

It is interesting that the CMP put out a similar survey last night as well, except they emailed the survey out to all.
The link doesn't work for other folks so I took it down, if you subscribe to the CMP newsletter you should have it email.

TonyH wrote:It is interesting that the CMP put out a similar survey last night as well, except they emailed the survey out to all.
Here is the link:
CMP National Matches Survey

link not valid, 

says I (guessing you) have already taken the survey

TonyH wrote:It is interesting that the CMP put out a similar survey last night as well, except they emailed the survey out to all.
Here is the link:
CMP National Matches Survey

I guess the link breaks once you have taken the survey.  Perhaps try another approach to the survey.

I guess the link breaks once you have taken the survey.  Perhaps try another approach to the survey.

I edited that link above...try it one more time to see if it works.

TonyH wrote:

I guess the link breaks once you have taken the survey.  Perhaps try another approach to the survey.

I edited that link above...try it one more time to see if it works.

nope, already taken it says, 

I'll shoot a couple friends an email and see if they got it

lyman1903 wrote:

TonyH wrote:

I guess the link breaks once you have taken the survey.  Perhaps try another approach to the survey.

I edited that link above...try it one more time to see if it works.

nope, already taken it says, 

Thus the break.

I responded to this survey with lots of reasons not to make the change.  If they did this, I would not get any out-of-area shooters for our Indoor State Championship.  Amarillo is "five hours from everywhere" and even more so, for the shooters that come from the Denver area to shoot the tournament every year.  Are they trying to kill the sport?

Can somone explain how shooters can break 2600 at a 180 shot match? I guess somehow reducing opportunities will make it easier.

Easily the worst idea in years. Cdrt has hit it on the head, killing the sport.

robert84010 wrote:Can somone explain how shooters can break 2600 at a 180 shot match? I guess somehow reducing opportunities will make it easier.

Easily the worst idea in years. Cdrt has hit it on the head, killing the sport.

The 1733.333 club doesn't have the same ring to it.

If there's problems with the sport, they have less to do with how the sport is defined and more to do with how the sport is promoted, communication, etc.

First one my list for reasons not to compete is: "WTH are the competitions?"
Second is: "WTH is the point standing on the line with my commercial ammo and off-the-shelf pistol against custom guns and handloads?"

Overcame the second one by competing in my first competition ever by simply "To have fun and otherwise I might never get the chance."

The first one remains at the fact I know of only one annual competition that's 3 hours away and that one I found out about by chance of being on a internet forum and a member reaching out.

Thought you'd might like to know. 
At the October 2018 Pistol Committee meeting, one of the committee members brought up the topic of changing the current 2700 standard to an 1800 (60X60X60).  The committee member brought this up based on input from Bullseye competitors.  The Pistol Committee unanimously agreed to survey the Bullseye shooters for their input.  The Pistol Manager will be receiving and processing the results of the survey. 
As I run NRA Precision Pistol "Bullseye" matches, including a State and Regional championship, and compete as well, I very much look forward to learning what our community thinks about 2700 vs 1800's. 

Ted Carter
NRA Board of Directors
NRA Pistol Committee
FSSA President
Match Director

Thanks for the insight Ted. But is there anything now that prevents a person from shooting an 1800 and then leaving? Or shooting a 22 match, sitting out the CF match and shooting the 45 match. 

We brought up a number of issues at the Competitor meeting at Perry. Were any of these addressed? Personally I would like to be sure that the Match Director stating that there was no appeal to one of his decisions has been addressed, since that's what I thought the Nationals Appeals Committee existed for. 

Please don't take my questions the wrong way, they are not in anger directed at you. But in the past month, I have seen issues with the Silhouette program (specifically the elimination of score books and their replacement with NRA compiled classifications at a significant additional cost to competitors and programs), and now this comes out of the woodwork. I'm glad for the survey. But I think that there are more important issues for competitors. 

I have one shooter who struggles with Parkinson's. He has issues with shooting a 2700, so he shoots an 1800 either leaving after the CF or resting during the CF and shooting the 45.

Greetings,

I did the survey.

I voted against 3-gun 1800's.

I emphasized the continuation of the 2700 format.

Personally, I shoot the 22 and CF 900 portions and go have an early lunch with my wife. Who also just shoots the 22 and CF portions.

The majority of the other shooters prefer to embrace the entire program. I doubt we are missed.

Shooting, as I know it, is dying. It is too difficult a sport for the upcoming instant gratification crowd. Run and Gun and shooting pie plates offers a visual and quick assessment of their shooting skills. However, to be fair, most use Iron Sights.

Cheers,

Dave

I voted to allow 1800s at State Championships and below.  Regionals and the Nationals should remain 2700, IMHO.

1800’s suck because there is not a recognized level of performance such as breaking 2650......etc.
Would/should require new National Record. Oh boy won’t that be a cluster foxtrot;)
Jon

In the Museum Of the Most Grand Dumb Ideas, this one would be on prominent display in the Bullseye Section as somewhat dumber than a box of really dumb rocks!

I pointed out that by eliminating the nmc, there was nothing to stop someone from using a separate gun for the 50 yard line

typical, can't meet the standard so petition to have the standard changed.

robert84010 wrote:typical, can't meet the standard so petition to have the standard changed.

 I see this stuff everywhere now days. I say if you can't play with the big dogs, go sit on the porch. I can't keep up with the top dogs but I like to shoot with them. I plan on shooting until I'm so old I can't raise a pistol to line up the sights, but don't change the rules to accommodate me.
Stan

I'm not strongly biased either way.  The NMC makes sense to me.  A doubled NMC (which is really close to Standard Pistol) makes sense to me.  Hell, you can triple it.

It'll get me banned, but I think there is a stronger case for a more radical revision, aligned more closely to the ISSF events.  Say 20 rounds slow fire, 20 timed, 20 rapid...and 20 duel - 3 second exposure, fire one shot from a low ready.

I think the real issue is promoting the precision disciplines.  All of them.  The NRA isn't helping on this.  I'm old enough to remember when American Rifleman had the matches listed in the back.  Then it was shoved to the back of Shooting Sports USA.  Now...who knows?

I hope they choke on my survey. I didn't cut them any slack and let them have with with both barrels.  I called it as I saw it: A VISIBLE MISS!!!!

I voted against the proposed change, as stated. Local match directors already have the option of running a 3-gun 1800, if they want to. I've done it, when I was a match director.

Competitors already have the option of shooting 2 guns at a 2700, then leaving. I've done that, too.

I think the big matches (state champs and up) should stay a 2700. They're usually spread out of 2 or 3 days anyway. As goofy as I think the 90 round course of fire actually is, I just don't see a problem here that needs fixing.

I certainly don't see any need whatsoever to "align" NRA pistol with ISSF.