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The Accuracy Con
by GerhardG 3/22/2019, 8:09 pm
First topic message reminder :
Ransom Rest will win every time! SO I don't care who made the dam gun as long as it's decent, say a Springfield Range Officer and a Ruger Mark IV which I use. Yes, I did a few upgrades on the Ruger nothing on the RO. I used a simple two-handed benched hold at 25 yards and printed very nice cloverleaves. So that Ransom Rest sure could up my game a lot!
So why the hell would I spend a nickel on a German or Italian import? Or throw additional money on a Les Baer, Wilson, Accuracy X etc... because
when the human interface steps to the firing line all sorts of new shit is going to go wrong.
Now don't get me wrong I am perfectly willing to try shooting a course with the Ransom rest but fellas it's to dam heavy to hold up and too hard to keep it from moving around during the rapid-fire stage!
So if it's OK you with you folks I am just going to keep on practicing 3 days per week and save my money for more ammo and range time. You can keep your Ransom Rest and all those test results with those pricy guns to yourself.
Thank you very much
Ransom Rest will win every time! SO I don't care who made the dam gun as long as it's decent, say a Springfield Range Officer and a Ruger Mark IV which I use. Yes, I did a few upgrades on the Ruger nothing on the RO. I used a simple two-handed benched hold at 25 yards and printed very nice cloverleaves. So that Ransom Rest sure could up my game a lot!
So why the hell would I spend a nickel on a German or Italian import? Or throw additional money on a Les Baer, Wilson, Accuracy X etc... because
when the human interface steps to the firing line all sorts of new shit is going to go wrong.
Now don't get me wrong I am perfectly willing to try shooting a course with the Ransom rest but fellas it's to dam heavy to hold up and too hard to keep it from moving around during the rapid-fire stage!
So if it's OK you with you folks I am just going to keep on practicing 3 days per week and save my money for more ammo and range time. You can keep your Ransom Rest and all those test results with those pricy guns to yourself.
Thank you very much
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Re: The Accuracy Con
by zanemoseley 3/23/2019, 6:33 pm
My guess is if you make it to EX or MA you'll start seeing the appeal of import and custom pistols. Its only money, you can't take it with you. With as much time and effort some of us put toward the sport an accurate and reliable pistol is worth its weight in gold. Sucks waking up at 5:30 on a Sunday just to drive across the state and have equipment issues.
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Re: The Accuracy Con
by troystaten 3/24/2019, 12:27 am
The nice thing about bullseye shooting is that even with high end pistols it is still not that expensive compared to other sports (golf can cost a fortune, boating, car racing etc) the biggest expense is time and that is something that is always limited. I don't mean to down play the costs at all and money does not grow on trees (at least for me) but the nice thing about the pistols is that if you ever had to you could at least sell them and recoup some of your costs. I think bullseye shooting is an amazing sport.
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Re: The Accuracy Con
by Jwhelan939 3/24/2019, 7:17 am
This... For me, upgrading to the Pardini and a custom Bunker Arms allowed me to focus on me. No more excuses. No more question equipment. It was me and I needed to put time into working on things. It was a nice little mental wake up and confidence builder.zanemoseley wrote:My guess is if you make it to EX or MA you'll start seeing the appeal of import and custom pistols. Its only money, you can't take it with you. With as much time and effort some of us put toward the sport an accurate and reliable pistol is worth its weight in gold.
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Re: The Accuracy Con
by Arthur 3/24/2019, 7:33 am
This all started with a comment clearly meant to troll.
That said.
Look at what the winners use. They have the skill set to utilize the accuracy and ease of use premium tools offer.
If you don't have the skills to justify best quality tools, fine. Neither do I at this time. When I throw a 7 out there it's me not the gun. Yesterday I shot my first clean timed fire target with a Ruger IV. It would have been easier with a Walther GSP, and it might have come sooner with the better tool.
That said.
Look at what the winners use. They have the skill set to utilize the accuracy and ease of use premium tools offer.
If you don't have the skills to justify best quality tools, fine. Neither do I at this time. When I throw a 7 out there it's me not the gun. Yesterday I shot my first clean timed fire target with a Ruger IV. It would have been easier with a Walther GSP, and it might have come sooner with the better tool.
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Re: The Accuracy Con
by BE Mike 3/24/2019, 7:55 am
At the level you are, I would suggest you just keep on training with what you have, as long as your triggers are satisfactory and your sights work well.
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Re: The Accuracy Con
by dronning 3/24/2019, 8:11 am
1" 22 groups and sub 1.5" 45 groups really come into play when you break into Master territory. Thing is when you start improving into Sharpshooter and Expert territory you probably are thinking about upgrading/replacing your starter gun. So if your goal is to keep going you might as well make the investment, at least you will know it's not the equipment holding you back.
- Dave
- Dave
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Re: The Accuracy Con
by GerhardG 3/24/2019, 8:44 am
Arthur,Arthur wrote:This all started with a comment clearly meant to troll.
Correct! I am trying to understand when high end equipment is justified. It's not as if we all compete with the exact same equipment and ammunition.
The Accuracy Con is meant to acknowledge that many pistols from suppliers can produce results that exceed a shooters ability. My observations of fellow team mates have left me to understand the many nuances of equipment choices in this sport. Many enthusiasts are more than willing to spend large sums to gain any edge they can. Hence there level of enthusiasm justifies their financial investment.You and many others have been very helpful in my understanding of when and how to apply more money for better equipment.
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Re: The Accuracy Con
by GerhardG 3/24/2019, 8:46 am
And that is where I am at.BE Mike wrote:At the level you are, I would suggest you just keep on training with what you have, as long as your triggers are satisfactory and your sights work well.
Thank you
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Re: The Accuracy Con
by james r chapman 3/24/2019, 8:50 am
I drove a Pinto,
Now I drive a Ferrari (Accuracy X),
I like the Ferrari,
Besides, I look good doing it!
Now I drive a Ferrari (Accuracy X),
I like the Ferrari,
Besides, I look good doing it!
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Re: The Accuracy Con
by TonyH 3/24/2019, 8:54 am
I agree! I have witnessed this first hand on many occasions!Besides, I look good doing it!
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Re: The Accuracy Con
by Stork 3/24/2019, 9:51 am
At the end of the day it's a hobby. Some are v just more serious about it than others. Also, if someone wants to spend $2500 on a .22 that is far above their skill level, awesome! Hopefully they'll let me shoot it!
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Re: The Accuracy Con
by dronning 3/24/2019, 12:26 pm
I'm not a Master Chef but I have Dalstrong and Wusthoff knives. 45 years ago I was going to start my own motorcycle repair business and I had all Snap-on tools. It's not a con to have good equipment/tools but it also isn't required.
I started shooting bullseye with my Buckmark and Ruger and a 4"+ 70 series Colt, all guns I already owned. I shot my first clean target with my Buckmark. At this point I knew I was serious. So I upgraded to a Marvel to be on the same 1911 platform and trigger. Then to a Nelson primarily for the lock back function. I upgraded my 45 a 2-3" Les Baer and eventually to a <1.5" KC built gun with an incredible roll trigger.
While I don't regret the path, it would have been easier/cheaper with better equipment earlier on.
- Dave
I also now have a 208s, a Pardini 6" bullseye, a KC built 9MM re-barreled in .38 Super, soon I will be ordering an 22 MG2 6" Bullseye. My reason for buying these guns has nothing to do with my competition plan other than to have fun. They might even be a distraction but so be it.
I started shooting bullseye with my Buckmark and Ruger and a 4"+ 70 series Colt, all guns I already owned. I shot my first clean target with my Buckmark. At this point I knew I was serious. So I upgraded to a Marvel to be on the same 1911 platform and trigger. Then to a Nelson primarily for the lock back function. I upgraded my 45 a 2-3" Les Baer and eventually to a <1.5" KC built gun with an incredible roll trigger.
While I don't regret the path, it would have been easier/cheaper with better equipment earlier on.
- Dave
I also now have a 208s, a Pardini 6" bullseye, a KC built 9MM re-barreled in .38 Super, soon I will be ordering an 22 MG2 6" Bullseye. My reason for buying these guns has nothing to do with my competition plan other than to have fun. They might even be a distraction but so be it.
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Re: The Accuracy Con
by Outthere 3/24/2019, 1:23 pm
GerhardG wrote:Yes Sir
The scores are for Bullseye Indoor 25 yard 30 rounds .22 and 30 rounds Center fire. I'll do them again.
Are those matches using the NRA reduced 50 yard target,(I think it's the B-6) for SF?
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Re: The Accuracy Con
by lyman1903 3/24/2019, 2:24 pm
dronning wrote:I'm not a Master Chef but I have Dalstrong and Wusthoff knives.
I made a living as a Journeyman Meat Cutter for over 19 yrs, dabbled in it later for a total of 35 yrs,
now out of that business but still have my knife set,
we never used any fancy chef brand knifes, used to laugh at the guys (including chef's) that paid top dollar for them,
good knife, good stone set, good steel, and know how to take care of them,
total cost for the knives I used daily was less than a box of 45acp, and they would last a good while (2-3 yrs before I replaced them, if not longer)
and I was a finesse cutter,
probably the only example of an inexpensive item working as good if not better than a brand name 'fancy' item
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