Jacketed .38 Special Loads for CMP Service Pistol
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Jacketed .38 Special Loads for CMP Service Pistol
CMP recently changed Rule 4.1.4, now permitting the use of S&W Model 10 or 15 revolvers as Service Pistols. I don’t have a 1911 “hardball” gun. I’ve already got my Distinguished Revolver badge. So I’m thinking of getting distinguished in service pistol with a revolver.
The catch is that Rule 4.4.1 states as follows:
“Service Pistol competitors may use any safe ammunition that is loaded with metal-jacketed or metal-plated bullets. Non-jacketed, wad-cutter or lead bullets may not be used.“
I’ve got a ton of load data for 50 yard Bullseye accurate lead bullets. Never loaded any jacketed bullets in .38 Special.
Any recommendations for good jacketed or plated .38 bullets? Load info?
I suspect a cheaper bullet would group fine at 25 yards, but maybe I need the more pricey bullets at 50 yards.
Thanks.
The catch is that Rule 4.4.1 states as follows:
“Service Pistol competitors may use any safe ammunition that is loaded with metal-jacketed or metal-plated bullets. Non-jacketed, wad-cutter or lead bullets may not be used.“
I’ve got a ton of load data for 50 yard Bullseye accurate lead bullets. Never loaded any jacketed bullets in .38 Special.
Any recommendations for good jacketed or plated .38 bullets? Load info?
I suspect a cheaper bullet would group fine at 25 yards, but maybe I need the more pricey bullets at 50 yards.
Thanks.
SmithSwede- Posts : 1
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LenV- Posts : 4758
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Re: Jacketed .38 Special Loads for CMP Service Pistol
I found that the Zero 125gr JHP conical bullet with 5.5 grains of CFE-Pistol shoots really well in all my revolvers. Tested at 25 yards, but not at 50.
DWood- Posts : 7
Join date : 2015-11-09
Re: Jacketed .38 Special Loads for CMP Service Pistol
For factory jacketed 38 sp ammo, I have had pretty good luck with the Remington 130 gr loads, they come in the bulk pack of 250. My Ruger GP 100 likes them.
rburk- Posts : 166
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Re: Jacketed .38 Special Loads for CMP Service Pistol
SmithSwede wrote:CMP recently changed Rule 4.1.4, now permitting the use of S&W Model 10 or 15 revolvers as Service Pistols. I don’t have a 1911 “hardball” gun. I’ve already got my Distinguished Revolver badge. So I’m thinking of getting distinguished in service pistol with a revolver.
The catch is that Rule 4.4.1 states as follows:
“Service Pistol competitors may use any safe ammunition that is loaded with metal-jacketed or metal-plated bullets. Non-jacketed, wad-cutter or lead bullets may not be used.“
I’ve got a ton of load data for 50 yard Bullseye accurate lead bullets. Never loaded any jacketed bullets in .38 Special.
Any recommendations for good jacketed or plated .38 bullets? Load info?
I suspect a cheaper bullet would group fine at 25 yards, but maybe I need the more pricey bullets at 50 yards.
Thanks.
That's a weird rule! Wasn't the original 38 Spl. M&P Service load 158 grain lead round nose? The current M41 ammo is 130 grain jacketed RN at 750-950 velocity depending barrel length and on vintage of ammo!
As I recall NRA-PPC Distinguished Revolver allows factory 158 grain LRN. My M-14 is capable of X-ring accuracy at 50 with Ranger 158 grain LRN!
I know I'm not answering your question but for me I'd have to start over developing a load for that kind of accuracy in a jacketed bullet!
Smiles,
jjfitch- Posts : 142
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Re: Jacketed .38 Special Loads for CMP Service Pistol
The US Military used 38 Special M41 with a 130 grain FMJRN. This was used by (mostly USAF, I think) MPs and some aircrew who were issued revolvers. It was most likely a 38 Super bullet stuffed in a Special case. This is NOT the same as the police loads of that era.
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Re: Jacketed .38 Special Loads for CMP Service Pistol
Can you use this bullet for both CMP and DR?
https://load-data.nosler.com/load-data/38-special/
https://load-data.nosler.com/load-data/38-special/
Joe Morgan- Posts : 79
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Re: Jacketed .38 Special Loads for CMP Service Pistol
I believe NRA DR requires 158 RN or SWC LEAD bullets by rule, No jackets allowed.
Wobbley- Admin
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Re: Jacketed .38 Special Loads for CMP Service Pistol
That's weird, the rules don't say anything about jackets:
3.3 (e) Ammunition- Any safe .38 caliber ammunition using the 158 grain round nose or Semi-Wadcutter bullet only.
Since it's a hollow point, is that a DQ?
3.3 (e) Ammunition- Any safe .38 caliber ammunition using the 158 grain round nose or Semi-Wadcutter bullet only.
Since it's a hollow point, is that a DQ?
Joe Morgan- Posts : 79
Join date : 2019-05-14
Re: Jacketed .38 Special Loads for CMP Service Pistol
Some of you are confusing NRA and CMP rules. In this case the AMMO requirments are different.
NRA requires a lead round nose or semiwadcutter bullet. CMP requires a jacketed bullet. In CMP
a jacketed hallow point bullet would be alowed . Unless they change the rule to a poticuler proflie
like the NRA has.
NRA requires a lead round nose or semiwadcutter bullet. CMP requires a jacketed bullet. In CMP
a jacketed hallow point bullet would be alowed . Unless they change the rule to a poticuler proflie
like the NRA has.
AHI- Posts : 38
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Re: Jacketed .38 Special Loads for CMP Service Pistol
And my mould drops SWCs that weigh 150 gr. No-go.Joe Morgan wrote:That's weird, the rules don't say anything about jackets:
3.3 (e) Ammunition- Any safe .38 caliber ammunition using the 158 grain round nose or Semi-Wadcutter bullet only.
Since it's a hollow point, is that a DQ?
GrumpyOldMan- Posts : 482
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Re: Jacketed .38 Special Loads for CMP Service Pistol
For NRA Distinguished Revolver 'lead only' is not a requirement any more.
Excerpt 2020 NRA Precision Pistol Rulebook:
3.3 Distinguished Revolver...
(e) Ammunition- Any safe .38 caliber ammunition using the 158 grain round nose or Semi-Wadcutter bullet only.
Excerpt 2020 NRA Precision Pistol Rulebook:
3.3 Distinguished Revolver...
(e) Ammunition- Any safe .38 caliber ammunition using the 158 grain round nose or Semi-Wadcutter bullet only.
Steve Brown- Posts : 33
Join date : 2011-06-10
Location : Pacific Northwest
Re: Jacketed .38 Special Loads for CMP Service Pistol
NRA DR - 158 gr jacketed or lead RN or SWC.
CMP EIC - Jacketed only, any weight or style.
In a model 15, my best load at 25 and 50 yards is a Sierra 140 gr JHP over 5.3 gr. Unique.
CMP EIC - Jacketed only, any weight or style.
In a model 15, my best load at 25 and 50 yards is a Sierra 140 gr JHP over 5.3 gr. Unique.
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