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Post by Reservebastard Mon Dec 14, 2020 10:45 am

Hello,
I’ve been reloading for service rifle for a few years and have had some success (P-100, Distinguished, NRA State Championship) but I’m new to service pistol.
I’ve got a lightly used 1911 (45) built by Daniel Norwood, which came with a substantial amount of loaded ammo and so far I would say it definitely shoots well if pointed towards the middle.
I picked up 3 pounds of titegroup but the majority of loads I’ve seen, including those in the sticky here, suggest bullseye. Am I wasting my time with titegroup or should I give it a try?
Thanks

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Post by chiz1180 Mon Dec 14, 2020 11:36 am

Titegroup is good stuff, I typically use bullseye (have more of it) but have used titegroup with good success.
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Post by Wobbley Mon Dec 14, 2020 11:56 am

It loads fine for 185 Gr JHP bullets.  There’s absolutely NO need to shoot 230 “Hardball” anymore.
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Post by Jack H Mon Dec 14, 2020 12:43 pm

4.8 gr was my Titegroup load for real 230 Hardball.  And I still have a large amount of 230s.  Sierra and others. 
Not to mention all the left over 9mm FMJ.....
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Post by Jon Eulette Mon Dec 14, 2020 12:59 pm

I still use 230’s but down load them. They fly true and are cheap to buy. 
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Post by Jack H Mon Dec 14, 2020 2:49 pm

And that 4.8 Titegroup gave the proper 820 fps
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Post by Slamfire Mon Dec 14, 2020 5:08 pm

Everyone I asked about Titegroup, who used Titegroup, more or less said :"Use your Bullseye Load".

The 1910 developmental cartridges used a 230 gr FMJ with 5.0 grains Bullseye for a desired velocity of 800 fps, plus or minus.

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I don't know why later ammunition shows 820 fps, maybe someone decided to use the high end velocity on the box.


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when I have shot a 230 FMJ with 5.0 grs Bullseye, my chronograph values are just at 800 fps, usually in the 790's. So I consider that Hardball velocities.


If someone is getting 820 with 4.8 grs Titegroup, that is close enough, given lot to lot variances.


Titegroup is a good powder and a lot of Bullseye shooters use it. When Alliant made finding Bullseye powder impossible to find, a large chunk of shooters walked over to Titegroup.

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Post by Jack H Mon Dec 14, 2020 5:19 pm

I found the 820fps Titegroup load to be better 50y grouping than slower loads of Titegroup.  This was 15+ years ago.  Shot in a HB gun built by Roddy.
Roddy's test target with Nosler JHP:
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Post by bruce martindale Tue Dec 15, 2020 10:57 am

Wobbley wrote:It loads fine for 185 Gr JHP bullets.  There’s absolutely NO need to shoot 230 “Hardball” anymore.

Unless you have them...smile

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Post by Wobbley Tue Dec 15, 2020 11:53 am

I have a bunch and a bunch of cast 230s as well... dunno what I’m gonna do with them now.
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Post by Slamfire Tue Dec 15, 2020 6:24 pm

Wobbley wrote:I have a bunch and a bunch of cast 230s as well... dunno what I’m gonna do with them now.
 Load them light. My 1911's will still function, with 18 lb recoil springs, with 650 fps loads with 230 grain cast bullets.

Just go out to the range, put a target up, and blaze away. Just practice sight alignment and trigger control. The bullets will go where aimed.

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Post by lablover Tue Dec 15, 2020 7:35 pm

Wobbley wrote:I have a bunch and a bunch of cast 230s as well... dunno what I’m gonna do with them now.
I’ll take em off your hands.  lol!
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Post by David R Wed Dec 16, 2020 8:32 am

Off topic a little. but I load 230 grain for my defense pistols and  practice with them loaded hot.  It helps with trigger control.   

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Post by adamsgt Tue Dec 22, 2020 1:13 pm

Slamfire wrote:Everyone I asked about Titegroup, who used Titegroup, more or less said :"Use your Bullseye Load".

The 1910 developmental cartridges used a 230 gr FMJ with 5.0 grains Bullseye for a desired velocity of 800 fps, plus or minus.

Tightgroup for hardball? O6DXP9i

I don't know why later ammunition shows 820 fps, maybe someone decided to use the high end velocity on the box.


Tightgroup for hardball? SNJcZuX



Tightgroup for hardball? K6TAVrP


when I have shot a 230 FMJ with 5.0 grs Bullseye, my chronograph values are just at 800 fps, usually in the 790's. So I consider that Hardball velocities.


If someone is getting 820 with 4.8 grs Titegroup, that is close enough, given lot to lot variances.


Titegroup is a good powder and a lot of Bullseye shooters use it. When Alliant made finding Bullseye powder impossible to find, a large chunk of shooters walked over to Titegroup.


Was opening some 50 cal ammo cans to see what was in there and had one that had 16 boxes of .45 acp 230 Match hardball and 3 boxes of .45 acp 185 SWC Match ammo. Two of the hardball boxes have 1973 date on the box. I'm assuming all the ammo is around that 1973 date. Shoot or sell? I have lots of .45 brass, bullets, primers and powder.

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