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38 Special Bullseye loads, HP38, Tightgroup or???

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Post by mattri Fri Sep 27, 2024 11:45 am

For 25/50 yards Bullseye shooting in 38 special what would be the better powder choice?  

Can't find Bullseye, Unique or the other Alliant powders, VV is hens teeth in my area- it's mostly Hodgdon/IMR.

Thoughts?

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Post by james r chapman Fri Sep 27, 2024 12:15 pm

Hp38/ww231are pretty darn good.
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Post by chiz1180 Fri Sep 27, 2024 12:16 pm

Titegroup or WST are some of my preferred 38spl powders
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Post by 8eightring Fri Sep 27, 2024 12:51 pm

If I remember correctly, Jerry Keefer preferred WST for 38.
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Post by L. Boscoe Fri Sep 27, 2024 12:57 pm

have great luck with HP38/231  4.8gr 3.8gr gives 725-750 fps  with a 148gr
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Post by DA/SA Fri Sep 27, 2024 1:50 pm

L. Boscoe wrote:have great luck with HP38/231  4.8gr gives 725-750 fps  with a 148gr
HBWC
Shocked Shocked  

That looks more like a .45 LSWC 50 yard load.
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Post by L. Boscoe Fri Sep 27, 2024 1:53 pm

you are right-it should be 3.8gr of 231.  Apologies.

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Post by DA/SA Fri Sep 27, 2024 1:57 pm

3.8 still seems a bit high!
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Post by L. Boscoe Fri Sep 27, 2024 1:58 pm

works well for me using HBWC

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Post by james r chapman Fri Sep 27, 2024 2:10 pm

3.1 ww231, 148 Remington HBWC
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Post by mattri Fri Sep 27, 2024 2:15 pm

Great replies thanks!

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Post by brand-new Fri Sep 27, 2024 4:01 pm

on my SW Model 52 with flush seated Speer and Hornady 148gn double end wad cutters:
....i've been very pleased with the groups i'm obtaining from WST 2.7 and 2.8 gn loads
 (as well as with 3.7gn of VV N320).

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Post by mattri Fri Sep 27, 2024 4:09 pm

Where are you guys finding WST?

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Post by Olde Pilot Fri Sep 27, 2024 4:19 pm

Bass Pro Shops is one source. Ship to your local store with no shipping/HAZMAT but still expensive.

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Post by brand-new Fri Sep 27, 2024 5:52 pm

https://www.powdervalley.com/product/winchester-super-target-wst/?attribute_pa_size=1

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/2900249979?pid=999479&utm_medium=shopping&utm_source=ammoseek&utm_campaign=999479


https://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item/00034wst1/winchester-wst-smokeless-powder-1-lb?Tk=DFPO

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Post by S148 Fri Sep 27, 2024 9:04 pm

Winchester 244 is another powder to consider. BE-86 if you can find it.

and see this link:

https://www.shootingtimes.com/editorial/new-38special-wadcutter-powder/498967


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Post by ermakevin Mon Nov 04, 2024 7:39 pm

2.9 TG works very well in my Smith 52. for what its worth.
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Post by troystaten Tue Nov 05, 2024 1:26 am

I use HP-38 when I can't find Bullseye.

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Post by jwax Sat Nov 09, 2024 5:14 pm

S148 wrote:Winchester 244 is another powder to consider.  BE-86 if you can find it.

and see this link:

https://www.shootingtimes.com/editorial/new-38special-wadcutter-powder/498967
Excellent accuracy with HBWC in Starline cases. Who knew?
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Post by chiz1180 Sat Nov 09, 2024 7:29 pm

jwax wrote:
S148 wrote:Winchester 244 is another powder to consider.  BE-86 if you can find it.

and see this link:

https://www.shootingtimes.com/editorial/new-38special-wadcutter-powder/498967
Excellent accuracy with HBWC in Starline cases. Who knew?
Testing is only at 25, but still reasonable even if you use the 2.5x factor for 50yd approximation.
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Post by mattri Sat Nov 09, 2024 10:27 pm

Interesting that they used a 38 super sizing die.

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Post by BE Mike Sun Nov 10, 2024 11:39 am

Winchester 231 and HP 38 are identical powders. Stay close to Mr. Chapman's load or the equivalent and avoid anything hotter. I was competing in the NRA Harry Reeves Revolver competition one year at Perry. When we went down to score, a competitor near my point had too many hits on his target. He fired the correct amount of rounds (10). Nobody cross fired on his target. He had loaded up his .38 SPL 148 gr. HBWC ammo with too much powder and some of the skirts of the bullets blew off the rest of the bullet. Some made it onto his target. He might have been more than embarrassed and disappointed had one of those skirts stuck in his barrel and he fired subsequent rounds.
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Post by Allgoodhits Mon Nov 11, 2024 5:17 pm

My best results with .38 spl 148 gr HBWC loads

BE 2.7 - 2.8
W231 3.1 - 3.2
WST 2.7 - 2.8
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Post by rich.tullo Wed Nov 13, 2024 9:00 pm

WST, Bullseye, and VN310
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