bob marvel upper v/s Benelli or pardenni,

hi everyone. just a though, can a marvel upper on a dedicated 45 frame compete with the Italians? and if so has any of the top shooters in our sport used them and won with them? just curious, thanks!

I've seen conversions from any brand shoot 1/2" but not all of them. Accuracy varies.

To me, it's a question of grip, trigger quality and balance and, of course, the loose nut behind the gun.

Yea, all the time.  
Jon Shue shoots a conversion. 
Some others do quite well too (or used to).

WOW thanks, never realized Jon Shu shot that, do you know who built the lower? i know he was using a cabet 45.

Jon Shue builds a lot of guns. I would imagine he built his own. A lot if shooters use the lower off of there're 45 so they are using the same trigger through out the match.

Bill

John Zurek shot an 889-53x  at Remember the Brave at Cardinal last year (Shue shot an 881-50x), Jim Henderson shot an 884-42x at The Ohio State Outdoor Championship last year. They were all shooting 1911 22 conversions.

My PB 100-8X SF was shot with 2005 era Marvel conversion.
Jon

Yes, conversions can easily compete with the likes of Pardini. I've got both. Personally, I've found that, when I'm on, the scores are the same. When I screw up (get a little overeager on pulling the trigger, etc), the same shot that will result in a 8 or 9 with my Pardini will often be a 6 or 7 with my Marvel conversion.

Exactly the same story as mpolans

mpolans wrote:Yes, conversions can easily compete with the likes of Pardini. I've got both. Personally, I've found that, when I'm on, the scores are the same. When I screw up (get a little overeager on pulling the trigger, etc), the same shot that will result in a 8 or 9 with my Pardini will often be a 6 or 7 with my Marvel conversion.

A very interesting observation.  Since this shooter screws up all too often (me, if it's unclear) and finds too many 5s and 6s exiting my M41 barrel.

To what do you attribute this too?  Grip, trigger, whatever???

Me too. I never shot my Model 41 very well. I shot my High Standard better, and the conversion OK. But the Pardini seems to ignore my mistakes, and turn them into decent shots,

jimsteele wrote:But the Pardini seems to ignore my mistakes, and turn them into decent shots,

My Benelli does that, too. Well, not all my mistakes. But it seems to react to my trigger wishes more promptly, and the shots land better.

Concur with others. Pardini appears to be more forgiving. My opinion: the Pardini trigger. It is so consistent. Twenty twos in my experience leave a gritty fowling. This is directly above the trigger bow area in a 1911 area. Does this cause the trigger to feel different as the gun is used? In the Pardini, the trigger is aft of all of that. Is this the reason, I don't know? I have shot my best with a Marvel on top of a Shue built lower. However, my average is better with the Pardini. For me it is NOT because of the grips. I have the same, Precision Target Pistol Grips (Andrew Berryhill) on both. Once again, my $.02.

hg401 wrote:

mpolans wrote:Yes, conversions can easily compete with the likes of Pardini. I've got both. Personally, I've found that, when I'm on, the scores are the same. When I screw up (get a little overeager on pulling the trigger, etc), the same shot that will result in a 8 or 9 with my Pardini will often be a 6 or 7 with my Marvel conversion.

A very interesting observation.  Since this shooter screws up all too often (me, if it's unclear) and finds too many 5s and 6s exiting my M41 barrel.

To what do you attribute this too?  Grip, trigger, whatever???

The Rink grip on my Pardini might improve the consistency of my grip over the Sharkskin slabs I have on on the 1911, but I think it's mostly the trigger. Granted, I'm using the conversion on my wadgun which has close to a 4lb single stage trigger, while the Pardini's is a two-stage just over 2lbs.

I have all 3.

Marvel just as accurate . The trigger is the big difference for me.