Times getting short, I want to get a P100 tab before I retire.

1911a145 wrote:

john bickar wrote:

Docmedic wrote:

Wobbley wrote:https://www.bullseyeforum.net/t5966-usmc-pistol-team-workbook

I’m working through it myself.  If I may, can you identify the base or installation you’re currently serving in?  That might help to identify other opportunities.

Fort Carson, Colorado.

I'll be amazed if you find anything bullseye here. We are pretty deep in USPSA/ IDPA/ multi-gun here.

USOPTC, though.

It's not Bullseye, but you will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy better opportunity to improve your one-handed shooting skills.

There is a lot of crossover between ISSF-style shooting and Bullseye. Take advantage of that opportunity while you are so close.

You might learn something. I will warn you that ISSF disciplines are HFW.

Nobody likes ISSF shooters

john bickar wrote:

1911a145 wrote:

john bickar wrote:

Docmedic wrote:

Wobbley wrote:https://www.bullseyeforum.net/t5966-usmc-pistol-team-workbook

I’m working through it myself.  If I may, can you identify the base or installation you’re currently serving in?  That might help to identify other opportunities.

Fort Carson, Colorado.

I'll be amazed if you find anything bullseye here. We are pretty deep in USPSA/ IDPA/ multi-gun here.

USOPTC, though.

It's not Bullseye, but you will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy better opportunity to improve your one-handed shooting skills.

There is a lot of crossover between ISSF-style shooting and Bullseye. Take advantage of that opportunity while you are so close.

You might learn something. I will warn you that ISSF disciplines are HFW.

Nobody likes ISSF shooters

No, nobody likes you.

Except my dog.

Brian Mason wrote:

john bickar wrote:

1911a145 wrote:
Nobody likes ISSF shooters

No, nobody likes you.

Except my dog.

I think we can all agree that nobody likes International shooters, everybody likes dogs, and we’re still on the fence about Matt.

Docmedic wrote:Alright just got back from Perry for the first time, I shot the 2700 with 22, 9mil, and 45. Both the 900s for 22 and 9mm went relatively well since I never shot a full course of fire for bullseye ever. Scoring 789 and 741 respectively, unfortunately the 45 was a different story with a score of 677. 

By the time I got to the 45 900, I had already shot the SAFS M9 match, two 900s, 22 EIC, Revo EIC and two team matches plus I had a strange feeling that my Sig 1911 didn't like the 185JHP from AA, also I had to hold the pistol different with a 6o'clock hold due to the rear sight was bottom out at 50. Honestly I thought it was the pistol so I decided to shoot the 9mm at P100 and NTI, what I realize though after having 3 days worth of matches plus a long day of practice prior the muscles in my right arm were tiring and I was over muscling the gun to keep it on target. Several shots where I thought I called good on the 9mm was off target or surprise! low left. I just couldn't keep my arm steady enough as I pulled the trigger strait back. I won't post the P100 or my NTI as they were not great, I believe I actually had 2 off paper misses on both matches which sucked but it is what it is.

Pistol I used for the matches.
SW41 -22LR
SA1911 RO Target 9mm, Sig P210 Target 9mm, Staccato 2011
SW627 Performance for revolver

Sig Sauer 1911 STX - .45

22 went far better then the other two guns due to me shooting that the most prior to going out to Perry, I must had shot anywhere between 300-500 rounds a week a month prior to Nationals. Sig P210 shot well for me but I had to keep taking it back to my work bench to tweak it to get the trigger at 4lbs. As I was heading out to perry I found a used SA 1911 RO target 9mm for 550, so ended up picking it up as I was heading out there. As mention above the Sig 1911 rear sight (adjustable low novak sight) was bottom out at 50 with 185HP's and there was no way to fix that problem when I got there as I didn't have the ammo available till I got on ground so I had to work what I had.

Big take aways that i got for my first year shooting this match,

1. Arm conditioning, I was amazed how tired my muscles in my right arm got after spending 4-5 days shooting. I was squeezing extra hard at the end of the week just to try to keep steady and that didn't work at all.

2. Ammo selection, the 115JHP shot great out of both the P210 and 1911 at the 25 yard line, but I don't think that was the case at 50. I didn't have anytime to actually go test the Sig out to 50 to see what it is doing and that was my mistake, and to use a gun I just bought two days prior to the match with ZERO data was probably not a great idea but I figure since I had it, and I had a strong idea that I wasn't going to get P100 this year I wanted to see how it shot under match conditions. I had zero data on the 45 Ammo I was using for the Sig and it showed horribly.

3. Know how Alibies work, during .22 EIC I had a light strike on the 3rd round of Timed fire. So I raised my hand RO came by, told him I jammed up, I was told to go ahead and put the gun on the table, and I went USPSA brained and cleared the gun and got ready for the next string... So no Alibi granted and saved 3 shots at Timed fired which sank my EIC score.

Overall I think this should be achievable by next year if I put the practice in, I'm really fighting myself not to spend money and get a RRA or Accuracy X pistol like most of the guys on the team have. The biggest issue right now is I need to pick a pistol and stick with it, while it was fun to shoot all the guns I brought I can tell by doing that there is no good way to get better if I don't lock down on one gun.

targetbarb wrote:

Docmedic wrote:Alright just got back from Perry for the first time, I shot the 2700 with 22, 9mil, and 45. Both the 900s for 22 and 9mm went relatively well since I never shot a full course of fire for bullseye ever. Scoring 789 and 741 respectively, unfortunately the 45 was a different story with a score of 677. 

By the time I got to the 45 900, I had already shot the SAFS M9 match, two 900s, 22 EIC, Revo EIC and two team matches plus I had a strange feeling that my Sig 1911 didn't like the 185JHP from AA, also I had to hold the pistol different with a 6o'clock hold due to the rear sight was bottom out at 50. Honestly I thought it was the pistol so I decided to shoot the 9mm at P100 and NTI, what I realize though after having 3 days worth of matches plus a long day of practice prior the muscles in my right arm were tiring and I was over muscling the gun to keep it on target. Several shots where I thought I called good on the 9mm was off target or surprise! low left. I just couldn't keep my arm steady enough as I pulled the trigger strait back. I won't post the P100 or my NTI as they were not great, I believe I actually had 2 off paper misses on both matches which sucked but it is what it is.

Pistol I used for the matches.
SW41 -22LR
SA1911 RO Target 9mm, Sig P210 Target 9mm, Staccato 2011
SW627 Performance for revolver

Sig Sauer 1911 STX - .45

22 went far better then the other two guns due to me shooting that the most prior to going out to Perry, I must had shot anywhere between 300-500 rounds a week a month prior to Nationals. Sig P210 shot well for me but I had to keep taking it back to my work bench to tweak it to get the trigger at 4lbs. As I was heading out to perry I found a used SA 1911 RO target 9mm for 550, so ended up picking it up as I was heading out there. As mention above the Sig 1911 rear sight (adjustable low novak sight) was bottom out at 50 with 185HP's and there was no way to fix that problem when I got there as I didn't have the ammo available till I got on ground so I had to work what I had.

Big take aways that i got for my first year shooting this match,

1. Arm conditioning, I was amazed how tired my muscles in my right arm got after spending 4-5 days shooting. I was squeezing extra hard at the end of the week just to try to keep steady and that didn't work at all.

2. Ammo selection, the 115JHP shot great out of both the P210 and 1911 at the 25 yard line, but I don't think that was the case at 50. I didn't have anytime to actually go test the Sig out to 50 to see what it is doing and that was my mistake, and to use a gun I just bought two days prior to the match with ZERO data was probably not a great idea but I figure since I had it, and I had a strong idea that I wasn't going to get P100 this year I wanted to see how it shot under match conditions. I had zero data on the 45 Ammo I was using for the Sig and it showed horribly.

3. Know how Alibies work, during .22 EIC I had a light strike on the 3rd round of Timed fire. So I raised my hand RO came by, told him I jammed up, I was told to go ahead and put the gun on the table, and I went USPSA brained and cleared the gun and got ready for the next string... So no Alibi granted and saved 3 shots at Timed fired which sank my EIC score.

Overall I think this should be achievable by next year if I put the practice in, I'm really fighting myself not to spend money and get a RRA or Accuracy X pistol like most of the guys on the team have. The biggest issue right now is I need to pick a pistol and stick with it, while it was fun to shoot all the guns I brought I can tell by doing that there is no good way to get better if I don't lock down on one gun.

Congrats on your first trip to Perry!  This year was my second, and even as a 125 lb woman had zero issues with a tired arm even by the end of the week.  My training routine includes a 20 min calisthenics routine 3 times/week, isometric exercises to build arm/shoulder strength 3+ times/week, grip strength exercises plus 45 min aerobic workout 4+ times/week.  Shooting practice includes dry fire with my 45 several days/week. Live fire 5 times/week almost exclusively with the 45; generally 80-120 rounds per 2.5-3 hr session.  Didn't quite make P-100 this year - 4 points off, placing 109.  Next year...
Completely agree with your assessment to focus on training with one centerfire gun.  The M41 will likely take care of itself.
Barbara



Barb,

You sound like a person who is doing al the right things to ensure you are in good physical shape to handle whichever pistol you choose.
You might want to look up Roxanne Conrad (USMC) and Kim Dyer (USA) both of whom did VERY well at Perry.  As I recall they were both
about the same size as you.
Keep shooting  -  Keep coming back  -  And above all, ENJOY YOURSELF!

Mike

bruce martindale wrote:Congrats on your first trip to Perry!  This year was my second, and even as a 125 lb woman had zero issues with a tired arm even by the end of the week.  My training routine includes a 20 min calisthenics routine 3 times/week, isometric exercises to build arm/shoulder strength 3+ times/week, grip strength exercises plus 45 min aerobic workout 4+ times/week.  Shooting practice includes dry fire with my 45 several days/week. Live fire 5 times/week almost exclusively with the 45; generally 80-120 rounds per 2.5-3 hr session.  Didn't quite make P-100 this year - 4 points off, placing 109.  Next year...
Completely agree with your assessment to focus on training with one centerfire gun.  The M41 will likely take care of itself.
Barbara


Where do you get the time for that?


I feel like such a slug! 


Thought l saw you but we didn’t get a chat

john bickar wrote:Barbara has about the same build I had the first time I made P100 (LOL, but also true story).

In addition to her physical fitness, Barbara neglected to mention her mental fitness. She acquitted herself well in the National Trophy Team match, firing almost the same score as she did in the NTI, as the team's Tyro.

I'm not pointing fingers, but at least one other team member would have done well to follow her example

It was a pleasure shooting with you. We'll get 'em next year.