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Post by Dockokol Fri Oct 04, 2024 8:11 am

Is anyone using a Mantis X system for dry fire training?   Lots of bars and charts and I don't know how to interpret the results...other than the "score" it provides.

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Post by NYKenn Fri Oct 04, 2024 9:42 am

I use one for both dry and live fire.
I do not really utilize the scoring portion. I look more at the arc of movement, and the feedback on trigger control. Specifically when the trigger breaks and follow through. Effort is to apply the same consistency to live fire as I do in dry fire. 

There are some resources on the Manis site, as well as a couple of videos on you tube.

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Post by bwoodc12 Fri Oct 04, 2024 10:43 am

I have used it for dry firing on a 45 wad cutter gun. Mostly monitoring score. For each individual shot and the average of a 20 rd string.
One issue I have had is the system sometimes counts cocking the hammer as a shot.

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Post by Foundryratjim Fri Oct 04, 2024 11:36 am

bwoodc12 wrote:I have used it for dry firing on a 45 wad cutter gun. Mostly monitoring score. For each individual shot and the average of a 20 rd string.
One issue I have had is the system sometimes counts cocking the hammer as a shot.
Rotate the pistol to horizontal then cock the hammer and that issue will go away...

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Post by becky Thu Oct 10, 2024 12:07 pm

Foundryratjim wrote:
bwoodc12 wrote:I have used it for dry firing on a 45 wad cutter gun. Mostly monitoring score. For each individual shot and the average of a 20 rd string.
One issue I have had is the system sometimes counts cocking the hammer as a shot.
Rotate the pistol to horizontal then cock the hammer and that issue will go away...

You can also point the pistol upwards, it's supposed ignore things that would otherwise trigger the sensor when it is rotated horizontally or when the muzzle is pointed up or down.

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Post by bwoodc12 Thu Oct 10, 2024 10:10 pm

Thanks, I will try both methods

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Post by SteveT Fri Oct 11, 2024 6:48 pm

For how to interpret the results:

Look at the trace just before and after the trigger fall. If the trace moves more suddenly in the last 1/2 second or so then you are disturbing the sights when you are pulling the trigger. You need to work on a smooth continuous trigger pull that does not make the sights jump.

Look for patterns in the movement. Does your hold take a big swing out of the black, then come back in and stay in the black for a second or two then take another big swing? Is it just continuously moving? Is your hold better for the first second or two, then get bigger? Do you overshoot when settling into the black and drop down and bounce back?

If you overshoot the center and then come back when you settle on the bull, you need to work on slowing down as you enter the black so it settles in the middle. If you see a pattern, then look for it when shooting. See that big excursion and instead of panicking, know that a better hold is coming. If your hold is better in the first few seconds then work on getting the shot off in that time and if you don't get it off quickly, abort, rest and start over.

If the normal range of movement is big, then you need to work on your hold. Holding exercises like dry firing with a weighted magazine, LIGHT weigh training (2-3 lbs, no more than 5 lbs) holding the weight out in firing position, wrist and grip strengthening exercises may help.

I haven't spent enough time with a Mantis to know if there is more information available to work with. The few times I used one it didn't have the resolution or statistics that a SCATT, RIKA etc. provides.
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Post by Dockokol Fri Oct 11, 2024 6:52 pm

Thank you all.

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