Magnus #801

I have been playing with some Magnus #801 Button Nose 185 grain that are an improved H&G 130 according to the Magnus web site.

I have been very impressed with the accuracy that I'm getting with this bullet over 4.0 of BE.

Except for the very short OAL because of the button nose  and not cutting clean holes in the target these bullets are shooting great in both my Clark Long Slide and the BE gun I built with Kart barrel.

Anybody else using these 801's ?


Virgil

No clean holes??  In confusion there is profit!  Just kidding.

Reed Van Ness--a Wisconsin Master shooter uses those to great effect.

They don't cut as clean as a wadcutter because the bullet is a copy of the Remington 185 fmj match except in lead, it cuts a hole like a FMJ so always have a overlay with you so you don't loose any points. Terry the owner of magnus had this mold made and he shoots them at the short line in every match. Terry is a high master and a 2650+ shooter so that should be a good endorsement in itself. I have some im going to be trying myself soon.

STEVE SAMELAK wrote:No clean holes??  In confusion there is profit!  Just kidding.

Not when you score my targets at Midlothian Steve.  

Did my best today (2.5" group of 5 shots at 25 yds.) with what seems to be an equivalent to the Magnus #801.  See Missouri Bullet link below.
http://www.missouribullet.com/details.php?prodId=123&category=5&secondary=13&keywords=
The only problem was the lube and/or coating was so thick that I had to wipe the tip of all completed cartridges with a paper towel.  It would gum up the case gage otherwise.  Even then the blue lube was splattered all over the target.

Beeser, glad to have you back! Good shooting! That's a good bullet but a little different from the 801, those will probably cut clean holes as for lube, its better to have too much than too little, I hold a rag and a check gauge and wipe each loaded round and drop ii in the gauge before it goes in my ammo case. then you have no worrys about them all going down range.  here is the 801.
http://magnusbullets.com/store/page8.html

I'm confused, the Missouri Button .45 ACP (#452185B) and Magnus #801 look almost identical comparing the actual Missouri bullet with the Magnus picture.  The only difference might be a slightly more rounded tip on the Magnus.  I don't know what you're trying to show with the two pictures.

I took the two pics down, one was the Remington 185 fmj the 801 was molded from. the bullets you have are not very different but a little, your will probably cut cleaner holes being it has a more pronounced shoulder.

DavidR wrote:......your will probably cut cleaner holes being it has a more pronounced shoulder.

Indeed it does cut a clean hole, almost as good as my S&W 52.

I just bought 2000 of these as one of my guns just doesn't like the long nose 185's I use since it was rebuilt.  The gun loves the factory Federal 185, my wallet doesn't.

What OAL is everyone loading these to? I have been using a Federal 185 gold as a template. Those will feed, but my let 801 and Missouri buttons will not feed. I loaded as short as 1.12 and out to 1.17 and have the same problem. The gun will foe almost into battery, except about 1/8 of an inch. I can put my thumbs on the back of the slide and force it into battery. It will go into battery from slide lock. It will shoot magnus 811's flawlessly. What am I doing wrong?

Sounds like a crimp issue or a too weak recoil spring, the recoil spring should have a good forward thrust. I load ALL lead bullets the same, .032-.035 of lead above the case edge, crimp to .468-.469, no failure's to feed in any of my guns.

I checked the crimp and its .469, same as the federal. OAL is the same. In regards to the spring, it works flawlessly with the magnus 811's with the same 4.0-4.1 charge of bullseye and crimp. Longer OAL (1.25), but no problem going into battery.

Well if you cant get them to feed and cycle 100% I wouldn't shoot them, there is really no advantage to them over a hg68 style 185, both are extremely accurate.

I'm kicking myself for not taking some of those loads to show the guys a Rock River at Camp Perry. I won't forget next year! Oh well, I love the hg68 style. It is very accurate!

I plan to start loading Terry's Magnus #801 bullets tomorrow.  45-185 grain, BNWC 0.452 diameter.

-> Terry suggested 3.8 to 4 grains of Bullseye.  Virgil Kane, (OP) suggested 4.0 .

-> Terry suggested OAL 1.130".  My Lyman case gage is 1.279.

-> DavidR up above suggested crimping to 0.468 ~ 0.469 so that's what I'll try for.  (I.D. of my Lyman case gage measures 0.475" dia.) 


My plan is to load 25 rounds, and try them before doing more.
Any additional suggestions?

Sounds like sound advice.
1.130 oal
.463-.469 crimp, I don't think you can over crimp these.
4.0 BE

Just make sure tbe recoil spring Chambers them.

bevel base "sad face"

Chris Miceli wrote:bevel base "sad face"

801 flat base "happy face"

Virgil Kane wrote:

Chris Miceli wrote:bevel base "sad face"

801 flat base "happy face"

i guess a slight bevel base is a flat base? Like the CMP and a slight palm swell isn't a palm swell.

A random selection out of my box of #801's
Look pretty flat to me but then that's like saying "there's a good looking woman" or" I love the looks of that car".  peoples tastes and impressions vary. What I think is flat may not be someone elses idea of flat.  I think the only thing we can agree on is that "Twiggy" was flat !  

Virgil Kane wrote:A random selection out of my box of #801's
Look pretty flat to me but then that's like saying "there's a good looking woman" or" I love the looks of that car".  peoples tastes and impressions vary. What I think is flat may not be someone elses idea of flat.  I think the only thing we can agree on is that "Twiggy" was flat !  

For sure flat base.

If I set the bullet down on a flat surface, it is slightly "beveled" on the base, so it rests in the middle, and can be rocked back and forth.  Is this what you mean?  Did Terry do this as a deliberate choice?  Is that the explanation for the darker area on the base of the bullet?

mikemyers wrote:If I set the bullet down on a flat surface, it is slightly "beveled" on the base, so it rests in the middle, and can be rocked back and forth.  Is this what you mean?  Did Terry do this as a deliberate choice?  Is that the explanation for the darker area on the base of the bullet?

It's rocking on the sprue hole where the sprue was cut off.  No it's not an intentional or deliberate design. Just a result of the casting proceedure.

Virgil