Questions on Grip Pressure
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Jack H
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Questions on Grip Pressure
Greetings!
How firmly do you grip your pistol? Does the pressure change between .22, wad, or service pistol (i.e. 1911 ball)? Have you noticed any vertical stringing of shots due to a loose or too "soft" of a grip?
I typically use a rather firm grip with only my middle and ring finger applying pressure (straight front-to-rear, no thumb or finger tip pressure). In general this works well, but at times I get that annoying tremor in the front sight due to too much pressure. When this happens I decreased the pressure and that reduces/eliminates the tremor. But, I'm concerned that too light of a grip with CF/Ball may cause inconsistencies with where the rounds impact. My ball gun (which will also be my CF gun for a while) is still being built, so I haven't had any way to experiment with grip pressure (only shooting .22 at the moment.) Any insights you might have would be appreciated. Thank you!!
Grunt
How firmly do you grip your pistol? Does the pressure change between .22, wad, or service pistol (i.e. 1911 ball)? Have you noticed any vertical stringing of shots due to a loose or too "soft" of a grip?
I typically use a rather firm grip with only my middle and ring finger applying pressure (straight front-to-rear, no thumb or finger tip pressure). In general this works well, but at times I get that annoying tremor in the front sight due to too much pressure. When this happens I decreased the pressure and that reduces/eliminates the tremor. But, I'm concerned that too light of a grip with CF/Ball may cause inconsistencies with where the rounds impact. My ball gun (which will also be my CF gun for a while) is still being built, so I haven't had any way to experiment with grip pressure (only shooting .22 at the moment.) Any insights you might have would be appreciated. Thank you!!
Grunt
Grunt- Posts : 34
Join date : 2011-06-30
Re: Questions on Grip Pressure
I cant say I have any difference in any part of my shot process between .22 and 1911. Since I switched from my HS to a .22 conversion I think it's all the same. No pressure on my thumb (unless I want the round to hit at 2 o'clock) same pressure on the trigger finger as the other fingers until I add enough to make it move when my eye sees what it's supposed to.
Rob Kovach- Admin
- Posts : 2692
Join date : 2011-06-13
Age : 51
Location : Brooklyn, WI
Re: Questions on Grip Pressure
I have tried from hard enough to squeeze the oil from the grips to a baby soft caress. I have a bad tendency to relax my grip around shot 4 on sustained fire.
Lately I'm trying something in between I had gotten from somewhere??? Grip the pistol with a firm grip (imagine holding the hand of your 6 yr old child when crossing the street, gentle enough to hold firm but not so hard as to crush). I've also just gotten back into regular shooting after shoulder surgery, so have to relearn and tune up my muscle memory.
I haven't shot the 45 a lot (300-500 rds) but have shot several thousand 22's. The 22 seems to react well to the firm grip, but the jury is still out on the 45, more testing is needed.
FWIW
Al
Lately I'm trying something in between I had gotten from somewhere??? Grip the pistol with a firm grip (imagine holding the hand of your 6 yr old child when crossing the street, gentle enough to hold firm but not so hard as to crush). I've also just gotten back into regular shooting after shoulder surgery, so have to relearn and tune up my muscle memory.
I haven't shot the 45 a lot (300-500 rds) but have shot several thousand 22's. The 22 seems to react well to the firm grip, but the jury is still out on the 45, more testing is needed.
FWIW
Al
Al- Posts : 650
Join date : 2011-06-10
Age : 69
Location : Bismarck, ND
Re: Questions on Grip Pressure
It depends on the gun.
A good piece of advice I got for the 22, was to not forget about grip pressure. People tend to think that since the recoil is so mild in the 22, that grip pressure gets sloppy. This leads to inconsistent scores.
Grip pressure, whether tight or a little light needs to be consistent. Pick the pressure that is the most comfortable and repeatable. It needs to be repeatable. One of the local high masters, said he got distinguished pistol when he was in his early teens and stick thin. Don't need muscles to shoot tens. I believe him.
A good piece of advice I got for the 22, was to not forget about grip pressure. People tend to think that since the recoil is so mild in the 22, that grip pressure gets sloppy. This leads to inconsistent scores.
Grip pressure, whether tight or a little light needs to be consistent. Pick the pressure that is the most comfortable and repeatable. It needs to be repeatable. One of the local high masters, said he got distinguished pistol when he was in his early teens and stick thin. Don't need muscles to shoot tens. I believe him.
jakuda- Posts : 225
Join date : 2011-07-07
Age : 42
Location : CA
Re: Questions on Grip Pressure
Ask yourself what is to be accomplished by the grip.
Grip should be thought of not as just a recoil management thing.
Rather, as a way to:
help hold the gun up,
help align the sights in front of the eye,
help stabilize the pistol in that alignment,
be the platform for a straight trigger press, ........
and help control, which I think will take care of itself if the previous 4 things are done to the max.
Read this by Blankenship:
http://www.bullseyepistol.com/chapter1.htm
(both above on the Bullseye Encyclopedia)
Grip should be thought of not as just a recoil management thing.
Rather, as a way to:
help hold the gun up,
help align the sights in front of the eye,
help stabilize the pistol in that alignment,
be the platform for a straight trigger press, ........
and help control, which I think will take care of itself if the previous 4 things are done to the max.
Read this by Blankenship:
- Pick up the gun by the barrel or slide.
- Place the stock between the thumb and forefinger of the
right hand and push the gun firmly to the heel of the
hand, being careful to watch how the gun seats. - While pushing the gun into the hand, wrap the fingers
firmly around the grip - All the fingers are used to grip the gun and equal
pressure by all the fingers is necessary to control the
weapon. No excessive pressure should be exerted on the
side of the gun by the thumb. - The greatest pressure should be between the heel of the
hand and that portion of the fingers on the front of the
stock. - While gripping very firm, the trigger finger must be able
to work back and forth enough to give it an independent
action. This can be accomplished through dry firing and
practicing taking the grip on the weapon. - This firm grip should be maintained at the same pressure
while squeezing the trigger to fire one shot or an entire
string of shots. A common mistake made is to not get the
grip in the same way, causing the gun to feel differently
in the hand and thereby causing the individual to
hesitate to squeeze the trigger. A frequent mistake made
is to gradually release the grip while squeezing the
trigger especially during a string of sustained fire and
will result in a definite loss of control. To grip the
weapon with a very firm grip and with the same pressure
throughout the delivery of a shot or string of shots will
reduce the chances of making this mistake.
http://www.bullseyepistol.com/chapter1.htm
(both above on the Bullseye Encyclopedia)
Jack H- Posts : 2693
Join date : 2011-06-10
Age : 75
Location : Oregon
Re: Questions on Grip Pressure
Thanks folks, I appreciate the help!!
Grunt
Grunt
Grunt- Posts : 34
Join date : 2011-06-30
Re: Questions on Grip Pressure
Use as firm a grip as you can with out shaking or relaxing your
grip mid way through your shot plan at the long line or 5 shot
string at the short line. You are working on building your grip
strength aren't you? And never grip the gun any harder than
it takes to get the sap running out of the grips!
grip mid way through your shot plan at the long line or 5 shot
string at the short line. You are working on building your grip
strength aren't you? And never grip the gun any harder than
it takes to get the sap running out of the grips!
Dave C.- Posts : 187
Join date : 2011-06-13
Re: Questions on Grip Pressure
When do we (you) apply that grip pressure? On the bench? Top of the raise. Outside the black? ??
And if early applied, what do you do to monitor not loosening the grip unintentionally during the string, or even during the trigger press?
And if early applied, what do you do to monitor not loosening the grip unintentionally during the string, or even during the trigger press?
Jack H- Posts : 2693
Join date : 2011-06-10
Age : 75
Location : Oregon
Re: Questions on Grip Pressure
Jack H wrote:When do we (you) apply that grip pressure? On the bench? Top of the raise. Outside the black? ??
And if early applied, what do you do to monitor not loosening the grip unintentionally during the string, or even during the trigger press?
During sustained fire, I go for "full squeeze" when raising the gun up, however, when I place the gun in my hand I also go for full squeeze. I relax my grip anytime the gun is on the bench. I only relax enough to release tension, especially during slow fire. I have had "tennis elbow" which lasted for a year or so and I don't want that to happen again so I rest the arm any chance I can.
Chris
Chris_D- Posts : 102
Join date : 2011-11-21
Re: Questions on Grip Pressure
60% on ready on the left, 100% on ready on the firing line.
Dave C.- Posts : 187
Join date : 2011-06-13
Re: Questions on Grip Pressure
Your grip and pressure should be established prior to the gun ever leaving the bench. What happens when ready on the firing line comes along and as you tighten your grip the sights/scope is not aligned?
Re: Questions on Grip Pressure
Actually I am using a final setting of the wrist and grip to finalize eye alignment and stability. I steer more with the bigger muscles of the arm and shoulder for placement.. Really it is my move to center (north pole) as I press the trigger. The wrist and grip hold the alignment to my eyeline.
Jack H- Posts : 2693
Join date : 2011-06-10
Age : 75
Location : Oregon
Re: Questions on Grip Pressure
I apply pressure as my gun leaves the bench. I don't typically have to worry about losing grip pressure, unless I'm really squeezing harder than normal (fatigue sets in and the result is less pressure.) But if I apply moderate pressure, its fairly easy to maintain pressure without conscience thought.
That said, one correlation I have noticed is when my front sight is low and seems to be stuck there. Almost always, this is due to too much pressure from my ring finger. If I back that off a tad, the front sight comes level.
That said, one correlation I have noticed is when my front sight is low and seems to be stuck there. Almost always, this is due to too much pressure from my ring finger. If I back that off a tad, the front sight comes level.
Grunt- Posts : 34
Join date : 2011-06-30
Re: Questions on Grip Pressure
In the Gil Hebard book "The Pistol Shooter's Treasury", there is a photo of Bill Blankenship's palm after releasing his grip on his pistol. One can see every "check" impressed in his hand from the checkering. That's the way I roll, but then again, I have never had the benefit of Brian Zin's classes.
BE Mike- Posts : 2564
Join date : 2011-07-29
Location : Indiana
Re: Questions on Grip Pressure
Grip to accomplish something in the sights.
Jack H- Posts : 2693
Join date : 2011-06-10
Age : 75
Location : Oregon
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