Updated Rules are Available - 2016
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Updated Rules are Available - 2016
You can see the latest copy of the rules at this page:
http://pistol-competition.nra.org/rule-books.aspx
I had requested a change to clarify what is a safety and it made it through. I believe I can now remove my magazine disconnect and the loaded chamber indicator from my Ruger Mk III.
http://pistol-competition.nra.org/rule-books.aspx
I had requested a change to clarify what is a safety and it made it through. I believe I can now remove my magazine disconnect and the loaded chamber indicator from my Ruger Mk III.
dstates- Posts : 199
Join date : 2013-03-05
Location : Near Moline, IL
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That's how I read it as well! That's great news.
Rob Kovach- Admin
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Location : Brooklyn, WI
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Hey KC- is there a replacement part needed to replace the mag disconnect in the 41 like there is in the mark III?
jman- Posts : 12
Join date : 2014-04-14
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You don't need to replace the one in the 41. Just reverse the rotation on the spring.
Re: Updated Rules are Available - 2016
Observation removed.
It's just not worth commenting on.
You all have fun shooting and come out to the SWGC matches if you can.
CR
It's just not worth commenting on.
You all have fun shooting and come out to the SWGC matches if you can.
CR
CR10X- Posts : 1777
Join date : 2011-06-17
Location : NC
Re: Updated Rules are Available - 2016
kc.crawford.7 wrote:You don't need to replace the one in the 41. Just reverse the rotation on the spring.
But....If you do. Be aware that when you reverse the direction on the spring you have a very real possibility of having the pistol fail to fire at some time. The spring is the only thing holding the Magazine disconnector in the frame. Turning it over lightens it up a lot and it can creep out. If it creeps out it can let the trigger bar creep out also because the only thing holding it in place is the magazine disconnector. If it creeps out a little it is possible to pull the trigger and have the trigger bar not make contact with the sear. Believe me it was kind of hard figuring out (and embarrassing) that if I tilted my pistol to the left while waiting to verify alibi it would shift back then fire on test. Then randomly not fire again in the vertical position. Might be a rare but can happen. Some grips allow for more movement then others.
Len ( I am not the one who turned the spring over but you can bet its back the way it belongs now)
LenV- Posts : 4758
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Location : Oregon
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CR10X wrote:Observation removed.
It's just not worth commenting on.
You all have fun shooting and come out to the SWGC matches if you can.
CR
But they were all true. I want it in writing that I can throw/give away ILS mainspring housings.
Len
LenV- Posts : 4758
Join date : 2014-01-24
Age : 74
Location : Oregon
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New DR rules?
http://pistol-competition.nra.org/distinguished-revolver-program.aspx
The way I read this then even if you only have 5 shooters the one person qualified for an award would get 10 points. That shooter would be in the top 1/6th of the qualified shooters. I don't know if they thought this out or actually meant to word it this way. I know they have a points break down page but why word it this way?
Len
http://pistol-competition.nra.org/distinguished-revolver-program.aspx
The way I read this then even if you only have 5 shooters the one person qualified for an award would get 10 points. That shooter would be in the top 1/6th of the qualified shooters. I don't know if they thought this out or actually meant to word it this way. I know they have a points break down page but why word it this way?
Len
LenV- Posts : 4758
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It's not worded very well and it's a little tricky but the " Fractions of .5 and over will be resolved to the next whole number. Smaller fractions will not be considered. The winning ten percent as described above will be further broken down and credit points awarded as follows:" applies to both in determining the number of awards and how points are distributed.OldMaster66 wrote:New DR rules?
http://pistol-competition.nra.org/distinguished-revolver-program.aspx
The way I read this then even if you only have 5 shooters the one person qualified for an award would get 10 points. That shooter would be in the top 1/6th of the qualified shooters. I don't know if they thought this out or actually meant to word it this way. I know they have a points break down page but why word it this way?
Len
You would have to give out 3 awards (25-34 competitors) before a 10pt leg is given out (1/6 of 3 = .5), you have to hand out 9 awards (85-94 competitors) before the second 10pt leg is handed out. (1/6 of 9 = 1.5).
- Dave
dronning- Posts : 2581
Join date : 2013-03-20
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Location : Lakeville, MN
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If that were to happen, you can add material to the grip to hold the trigger bar in place. Len I've never seen a mag disconnect on a 41 that was reversed have movement inside the receiver. Sounds like your spring either came off the shaft or broke. But I sure have had to add shim stock into the top of the right grip to keep the trigger bar from flexing out and causing problems with the trigger.OldMaster66 wrote:kc.crawford.7 wrote:You don't need to replace the one in the 41. Just reverse the rotation on the spring.
But....If you do. Be aware that when you reverse the direction on the spring you have a very real possibility of having the pistol fail to fire at some time. The spring is the only thing holding the Magazine disconnector in the frame. Turning it over lightens it up a lot and it can creep out. If it creeps out it can let the trigger bar creep out also because the only thing holding it in place is the magazine disconnector. If it creeps out a little it is possible to pull the trigger and have the trigger bar not make contact with the sear. Believe me it was kind of hard figuring out (and embarrassing) that if I tilted my pistol to the left while waiting to verify alibi it would shift back then fire on test. Then randomly not fire again in the vertical position. Might be a rare but can happen. Some grips allow for more movement then others.
Len ( I am not the one who turned the spring over but you can bet its back the way it belongs now)
Re: Updated Rules are Available - 2016
FWIW this disabling the disconnector on the M41 was old news when I started shooting bullseye in 1977. My coach had his disabled. He was a All NG pistol Team member from years before.. When we traveled to the big military matches all the guns were safety checked at the check in. Nothing was ever said about it being inappropriate...
Axehandle- Posts : 879
Join date : 2013-09-17
Location : Alabama
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Rule 3.1 General Service Pistol Specifications, ammunition rule was not changed to coincide with the CMP Service Pistol rules. Hold on to those 230 FMJ's.
Ghillieman- Posts : 468
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Why is there not a catagory in the National Matches for Military Veteran under rule 2.6.1, or Military Veteran Teams under rule 2.13.1? Likewise for Military Veteran catagory under National Individual Records rule 17.3 and National Team Records rule 17.4?
It's in the rule book, it should be offered at least at the National Matches.
It's in the rule book, it should be offered at least at the National Matches.
Ghillieman- Posts : 468
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Location : TEXAS
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Ghillieman wrote:Rule 3.1 General Service Pistol Specifications, ammunition rule was not changed to coincide with the CMP Service Pistol rules. Hold on to those 230 FMJ's.
I'm confused. I thought this was changed last year to any jacketed ammo. So what are we allowed to shoot and what aren't we?
weber1b- Posts : 574
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CMP rules for service pistol.
6.5.2 Pistol Ammunition
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Service Pistol
. Service Pistol competitors may use any safe
ammunition that is loaded with metal-jacketed bullets. Non-jacketed,
wad-cutter or lead bullets may not be used.
6.5.2 Pistol Ammunition
•
Service Pistol
. Service Pistol competitors may use any safe
ammunition that is loaded with metal-jacketed bullets. Non-jacketed,
wad-cutter or lead bullets may not be used.
BrianD- Posts : 72
Join date : 2011-06-20
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Axehandle wrote:FWIW this disabling the disconnector on the M41 was old news when I started shooting bullseye in 1977. My coach had his disabled. He was a All NG pistol Team member from years before.. When we traveled to the big military matches all the guns were safety checked at the check in. Nothing was ever said about it being inappropriate...
Just because it was old news, didn't make it legal.
dstates- Posts : 199
Join date : 2013-03-05
Location : Near Moline, IL
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Right, I should have clarified a little. The CMP rules govern EIC matches, President's 100, and National Trophy Individual. NRA rules would govern a NRA Service Pistol State Championship.weber1b wrote:Ghillieman wrote:Rule 3.1 General Service Pistol Specifications, ammunition rule was not changed to coincide with the CMP Service Pistol rules. Hold on to those 230 FMJ's.
I'm confused. I thought this was changed last year to any jacketed ammo. So what are we allowed to shoot and what aren't we?
Ghillieman- Posts : 468
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So a NRA service pistol match requires 230 gr jacketed rounds?
james r chapman- Admin
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Wouldn't that include team matches too?
Doug Hall- Posts : 42
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Location : Central, Ohio
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Ghillieman wrote:Why is there not a catagory in the National Matches for Military Veteran under rule 2.6.1, or Military Veteran Teams under rule 2.13.1? Likewise for Military Veteran catagory under National Individual Records rule 17.3 and National Team Records rule 17.4?
It's in the rule book, it should be offered at least at the National Matches.
There is. A Military Veteran can register as such on the entry form, at least the one that I'm holding in my hand but I don't see it online. I'll get that corrected.
Teams, which were to compete in the Open Club category, will now compete in the Open Category (following the recent rule change).
There is NOT a separate class/category for Military Veterans, nor is there a special category award.
I personally met with Lt. Col. Oliver North at the Military & Veterans Affairs Committee meeting where he asked if there was anything that could be done to insure that military veterans have a place to compete using their military service as a sort of club membership. The result was Rule 2.6.1 and Rule 2.13.1. Military Veterans will be able to form teams and compete.
DirComp- Posts : 87
Join date : 2013-10-04
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I have directed the Pistol Dept to correct the online registration to reflect Military Veteran.
Denny
Denny
DirComp- Posts : 87
Join date : 2013-10-04
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Ok Dennis, I already registered online, that's why I didn't see it.
Ghillieman- Posts : 468
Join date : 2012-02-14
Location : TEXAS
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