Bullseye Revolver Gunsmith Reccomendation - Smith & Wesson Model 14 / K38
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Bullseye Revolver Gunsmith Reccomendation - Smith & Wesson Model 14 / K38
I have a Smith and Wesson K38 / Model 14 I picked up and it apparently needs some work done to get it up to Bullseye / Distinguished Revolver (DR) standards and looking for a recommended Gunsmith. Jerry gave me a few names and I found a couple others, but appreciate any insight, other options or experience. It looks like Randy Lee isn't taking work unfortunately due to a backlog. Looks like throating, crown and trigger job required, but who knows what else. Accuracy is abysmal, and I've had reliability issues.
Frank Glenn
Accuracy Unlimited
http://www.glenncustom.com/index.html
Mark Hartshorne
Pinnacle High Performance Revolvers
http://pinnaclehighperformance.com/
Sandy Garret
Northern Virginia Gunworks
https://www.yelp.com/biz/northern-virginia-gun-works-springfield
Alex Hamilton
Ten Ring Precision
https://www.tenring.com/about-alex/
Alan Tanaka
AT Custom Gunwork
http://atcustomgunwork.com/301.html
Randy Lee
Apex Tactical
http://www.apextactical.com/index.php
Frank Glenn
Accuracy Unlimited
http://www.glenncustom.com/index.html
Mark Hartshorne
Pinnacle High Performance Revolvers
http://pinnaclehighperformance.com/
Sandy Garret
Northern Virginia Gunworks
https://www.yelp.com/biz/northern-virginia-gun-works-springfield
Alex Hamilton
Ten Ring Precision
https://www.tenring.com/about-alex/
Alan Tanaka
AT Custom Gunwork
http://atcustomgunwork.com/301.html
Randy Lee
Apex Tactical
http://www.apextactical.com/index.php
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JayhawkNavy02- Posts : 821
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Re: Bullseye Revolver Gunsmith Reccomendation - Smith & Wesson Model 14 / K38
I can recommend Alex Hamilton as he has done work for me in the past. High quality work, fair price, and good turnaround time.
AllAces- Posts : 745
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Re: Bullseye Revolver Gunsmith Reccomendation - Smith & Wesson Model 14 / K38
For DR the only thing you can do is light stoning of trigger parts
Chris Miceli- Posts : 2715
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Re: Bullseye Revolver Gunsmith Reccomendation - Smith & Wesson Model 14 / K38
A pistolsmith can correct timing issues, check for cylinder alignment and correct and a host of other things that will put an old K-38 back to top performance.Chris Miceli wrote:For DR the only thing you can do is light stoning of trigger parts
BE Mike- Posts : 2503
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Re: Bullseye Revolver Gunsmith Reccomendation - Smith & Wesson Model 14 / K38
3.1.4 Distinguished Revolver - The revolver must be capable of chambering and fi ring a 158-grain round nose or Semi-Wadcutter .38 Special cartridge. It must be a factory manufactured revolver with no external modifi cations except for stocks which may be modifi ed or changed because of the size of the competitor’s hand or to facilitate loading. Except for stocks and the honing of the sear or sear notch to make a more crisp trigger, and maintain a 2 1/2 lb. minimum trigger pull, no external or internal modifi cation may be made to the revolver as manufactured and sold by the factory of origin. No parts may be removed from the revolver, either externally or internally, nor may any part be added, with the exception of milling the cylinder to accommodate moon clips. Specifi cally prohibited is any system of recoil control based upon compensators, barrel venting, barrel porting or weighted grips. Exposed holes that have been drilled and tapped for mounting of a scope are not considered to be an external modifi cation. (a) Trigger- Must have single and double action capability and must be capable of lifting 2 1/2 lbs when the revolver is cocked for single action fi ring. Triggers will be weighed. Any trigger, sold by the manufacturer of the revolver, without modifi cation, may be used. (b) Sights- Fixed or adjustable rear sights may be used. An Adjustable front sight is not allowed. (c) Barrel- Length not to exceed six and one- half inches. (6 1/2”) (d) Stocks- Except as set forth above, the right and left stocks must be mirror images of each other. (e) Ammunition- Any safe .38 caliber ammunition using the 158 grain round nose or Semi-Wadcutter bullet only. (f) The following are not allowed. Trigger shoes, compensators of type or design; any external trigger stop device; any internal trigger stop not originally installed by the factory as original equipment in stock revolvers of the same make and model; tape on the stocks or stocks fl ared at the base.
Chris Miceli- Posts : 2715
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Re: Bullseye Revolver Gunsmith Reccomendation - Smith & Wesson Model 14 / K38
That rule as written rules out used revolvers with no history available.
Jack H- Posts : 2679
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I'm guessing the intent is to be a match where you show up with what you got. A non accurized factory gun.
Chris Miceli- Posts : 2715
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Re: Bullseye Revolver Gunsmith Reccomendation - Smith & Wesson Model 14 / K38
I doubt the intent is to preclude maintaining your firearm, especially when it comes to safety. I'll send NRA a note.
Appreciate the gunsmith recommendations? Looking forward to a new challenge.
I'll be posting about RF in a separate thread. Struggling.
Appreciate the gunsmith recommendations? Looking forward to a new challenge.
I'll be posting about RF in a separate thread. Struggling.
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JayhawkNavy02- Posts : 821
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Re: Bullseye Revolver Gunsmith Reccomendation - Smith & Wesson Model 14 / K38
Yeah, the intent of the rules does not preclude putting the revolver in tip top condition and/ or correcting factory defects. Otherwise, the rules could be interpreted to allow revolvers with safety issues. As long as the revolver has factory parts, one is good to go. Of course I'm not an NRA ref., but I suspect that others here that have posted aren't either!JayhawkNavy02 wrote:I doubt the idea was to preclude maintaining a firearm, especially when it comes to safety. I'll send NRA a note.
Appreciate the gunsmith recommendations? Loking forward to a new challenge.
I'll be posting about RF in a separate thread. Struggling.
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BE Mike- Posts : 2503
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Re: Bullseye Revolver Gunsmith Reccomendation - Smith & Wesson Model 14 / K38
You want to talk about intent ?Chris Miceli wrote:I'm guessing the intent is to be a match where you show up with what you got. A non accurized factory gun.
Let us look at Bullseye 2700's
I have mentioned it a few times that the intent or the beginning of it was different than today cause shooters wanted to game it.
Lets bring it back to what it was and see what happens, maybe it will promote the sport ?
Taken from the BE website;
The classic outdoor pistol match is called a "2700." Shooters fire 270 shots with a maximum value of 10 points each, hence the name. Those 270 shots are divided into three 90-shot events, fired with .22, center-fire and .45 pistols.
This format got its start as a way to combine shooting with the civilian's .22, the police officer's .38 revolver and the military man's .45 autoloader. As .45 accuracy improved, however, shooters began to use the .45 for both center-fire and .45 matches, and today it is rare to see a pure center-fire pistol.
C.Perkins- Posts : 742
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Re: Bullseye Revolver Gunsmith Reccomendation - Smith & Wesson Model 14 / K38
The operative word is "modified". That word is an adjective to "factory manufactured revolver" and enforcement would need to center around the manufacturer's blueprints and manufacturer's accepted tolerances.
It's in that range of the manufacturer's blueprints and tolerances that the pistolsmith can work his magic while the shooter is still in compliance by firing an optimally prepared, but unmodified "factory manufactured revolver".
A reblued 1965 vintage k-38 target masterpiece is not as it was from the factory, but it's not "modified" from the factory specs either. Legal for competition.
This has been discussed at length in the past. Jerry Keefer documented a great deal of work that can be performed within the factory specs.
It's in that range of the manufacturer's blueprints and tolerances that the pistolsmith can work his magic while the shooter is still in compliance by firing an optimally prepared, but unmodified "factory manufactured revolver".
A reblued 1965 vintage k-38 target masterpiece is not as it was from the factory, but it's not "modified" from the factory specs either. Legal for competition.
This has been discussed at length in the past. Jerry Keefer documented a great deal of work that can be performed within the factory specs.
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Re: Bullseye Revolver Gunsmith Reccomendation - Smith & Wesson Model 14 / K38
I wonder if this includes Taylor throats and stop pins in the slide.
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