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Post by Hardballer 8/16/2017, 11:48 pm

I've been looking through the NRA Rulebook and Section 4 seems to have all the info you could need except the distance from the center of the bull to the ground.  I hope that I have not overlooked it.  Will someone please tell me the correct measurement?


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Post by LenV 8/17/2017, 12:18 am

After some discussion I think the forum agreed on 55"

https://www.bullseyeforum.net/t5586-target-height?highlight=target+height

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Post by Hardballer 8/17/2017, 1:22 am

55" - Perfect, thanks Len and thanks for the welcome.
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Post by BE Mike 8/17/2017, 7:30 am

The measurement is taken at the firing point, so if your range has a slope...
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Post by Hardballer 8/17/2017, 10:13 am

If there is a slope, would it then be better to use something like a "Laser Level" measured 55" up from the firing line to the center of the target?  I'm not trying to split hairs, just trying to get this right.
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Post by LenV 8/17/2017, 3:38 pm

It can't make that much difference if it is just for practice. I routinely staple 4 repair centers to the target at the same time. That means I have 4 targets at the wrong height. Adjust your stance a tiny bit and shoot. Works great for practice.

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Post by BE Mike 8/18/2017, 7:48 am

Hardballer wrote:If there is a slope, would it then be better to use something like a "Laser Level" measured 55" up from the firing line to the center of the target?  I'm not trying to split hairs, just trying to get this right.
That sounds like a great way to do it. There is also some leeway (+ or- a certain number of inches) but I cannot recall exactly how much. I was in from the beginning of construction of an indoor bullseye pistol range for our club, but that was a long, long time ago and I long ago relinquished the NRA Range Manual to the club.
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Post by brassmaster 8/18/2017, 1:35 pm

LenV wrote:After some discussion I think the forum agreed on 55"

https://www.bullseyeforum.net/t5586-target-height?highlight=target+height

And welcome to another Lifetime Master. I think that makes two of us. Laughing
O.k. Len, now that the target height has been addressed, how about bench height (top of bench to ground) at the firing line? Is this addressed by NRA or CMP and if it is, where could one find that referenced?

Thanks!
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Post by LenV 8/18/2017, 8:27 pm

I guarantee that there is no standardized bench height. At least in my shooting career I have never found two ranges that agreed on the same height. Some guide lines I would use if building one for myself.

1. Should be low enough that you can go to the international ready position without hitting the bench.

2. Should be tall enough that you don't have to bend over to look thru scope.

3. Should be low enough you can see thru scope without getting on a ladder.

4. Should be wide enough for pistol box, towel/pad, water bottle, thermos, brass catcher and ammo.
    (ok, #4 is just wishful thinking)
5. I like a 30" bench for my 5'9"
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Post by jwax 10/23/2017, 8:37 am

LenV- 
Hope you're not drinking at the firing position.
Drinking/eating at the firing position is a no-no at most ranges around here.
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Post by Blsi2600 10/23/2017, 9:07 am

Only in NY.

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Post by LenV 10/23/2017, 7:25 pm

Match director furnishes cookies. I bring coffee and doughnuts to share. My scorer gets first pick. Smile
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Post by Boris_La 10/23/2017, 7:59 pm

LenV wrote:Match director furnishes cookies. I bring coffee and doughnuts to share. My scorer gets first pick. Smile
Sh-h-h!
Don't let the secret of higher scores out.

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Post by mikemyers 11/1/2017, 1:01 am

A somewhat related question...

From NRA rules: "... skills required to shoot one-handed at 5.5-inch (14 cm) and 8-inch (20 cm) bullseye targets at 25 and 50 yards (23 and 46 m)...


Which NRA targets are used at each distance?  I found two NRA 8" targets.  My club uses the B-8 target.   It's probably obvious, but I wasn't able to find the specific targets used for each distance.
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Post by Wobbley 11/1/2017, 9:06 am

The 50 yard target is the NRA B-6 target (8 inch black) and the 25 yard target is the NRA B-6 target (5.5 inch black),
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Post by mikemyers 11/1/2017, 9:35 am

Thanks!!!

The targets I was shooting at were NRA B-8.  I should start using the proper targets when I get home.
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Post by JD Mahan 11/1/2017, 9:39 am

Wobbley wrote:The 50 yard target is the NRA B-6 target (8 inch black) and the 25 yard target is the NRA B-6 target (5.5 inch black),

Correction:

50 yd target is NRA B 6.

25 yd target is NRA B 8

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Post by mikemyers 11/1/2017, 9:48 am

Hmm, now I know why I couldn't find a comparison on the internet.  Trying to find images for each, with dimensions.  I found the page in the NRA rulebook, but I'd like to compare them side by side on my computer.
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Post by mikemyers 11/1/2017, 9:54 am

Added later - found this:

http://www.indecorous.com/bullseye/rings.html

Not what I expected to see, if this page is correct.
Still trying to figure out how his page "works".
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Post by Ed Hall 11/1/2017, 11:22 am

mikemyers wrote:...  Trying to find images for each, with dimensions...
Have you tried the taget companies?:

Competition Targets- Pistol, The National Target Company, Inc

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Post by mikemyers 11/1/2017, 11:38 am

Ed, yes, and thank you, but this is where I used to go to long ago - I forgot the name, and had to track it down:

http://www.1bad69.com/ruger/bullseyepistoltargets.pdf

I like printing my own targets for practice.  When I posted the question, I was hoping to find two images I could view side by side, and compare.  Since the distance was double, I was wondering how close to "double" the size of the 50 yard target was.  I've never shot at a 50 yard target yet.  Just trying to get a feel for what it will be like.  I can't do much about anything until January, when I get home.  Again, thanks!!
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Post by Wobbley 11/1/2017, 1:57 pm

Print them on these.  https://www.uline.com/Product/Detail/S-5045/Laser-Labels/Laser-Labels-White-8-1-2-x-11  

Staples not required.  Good enough for practice.
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Post by Olde Pilot 11/1/2017, 2:24 pm

Good price on official targets is pistoleer.com.

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Post by Olde Pilot 11/1/2017, 2:33 pm

With regard to target height above ground: Target height should be measured by setting up a transit at about 55in above the firing line and set the target center at whatever height is level to that at both 25 and 50 yards. For example, at Gateway Jacksonville, the targets at 50 yards are only about 3 feet above ground due to up-sloping land.

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Post by Toz35m 11/1/2017, 4:13 pm

Wobbley wrote:Print them on these.  https://www.uline.com/Product/Detail/S-5045/Laser-Labels/Laser-Labels-White-8-1-2-x-11  

Staples not required.  Good enough for practice.

seems like an expensive option.  Paying $30 for a box of 100.  If you buy 5 you get them at $21/100. Then you have to pay for the ink to print on them.  If you buy some B-8 repair centers from American target you pay $8.30/100 if you buy 500. Or $7.40/100 if you get a 1000.

I buy from Kruger and pay $7.8/100 buying a pack of 250 which lasts me a while.  These are high quality targets. Lucky for me they are local so I can pick them up when I order.
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