Swaged versus hard cast... recoil??
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Jon Eulette
oldsalt444
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Swaged versus hard cast... recoil??
So I'll begin by saying 99.99% of the bullets I've shot have been hard cast from wheel weights or from Magnus.
A older master shoot told me that swaged bullets have noticeably less recoil than hard cast lead. Can anyone else back that up?
But if there's less recoil won't this mean you just have to jump the load up to keep the gun cycling with the same recoil spring and slide weight. Or does the swaged lead just feel smoother while still cycling the same?
A older master shoot told me that swaged bullets have noticeably less recoil than hard cast lead. Can anyone else back that up?
But if there's less recoil won't this mean you just have to jump the load up to keep the gun cycling with the same recoil spring and slide weight. Or does the swaged lead just feel smoother while still cycling the same?
zanemoseley- Posts : 2688
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Re: Swaged versus hard cast... recoil??
Hammer a swaged bullet,hard cast and jhp through the barrel with a wood dowel. Let us know what you feel between the 3
Chris Miceli- Posts : 2715
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Re: Swaged versus hard cast... recoil??
So I guess the question is if you're running a heavy slide with a 9000sc does it still feel softer once you get the pressure high enough to cycle the slide or are you jist having to dump more powder in to level the playing field?
zanemoseley- Posts : 2688
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Re: Swaged versus hard cast... recoil??
Yes, cast are a bit harder than swaged. But for the pressures needed in your gun, the two are almost indistinguishable. The same powder charge will work for both. The cast obturate less than swaged where the swaged obturate more which creates a bit more resistance. So it's basically a wash. The obturation fills the bore and contributes to accuracy.
Jacketed bullets are a different story. Much more resistance in the bore. That's where you'll need a bump in powder charge.
Jacketed bullets are a different story. Much more resistance in the bore. That's where you'll need a bump in powder charge.
oldsalt444- Posts : 288
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Location : Commiefornia
Re: Swaged versus hard cast... recoil??
I cannot feel the difference between cast or swaged when running 3.4 or 4.0 gr BE. This is with all my 45’s including the ones with the 9000
Jon
Jon
Jon Eulette- Posts : 4399
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Re: Swaged versus hard cast... recoil??
Thanks guys, just making sure I'm not missing out on a magical recoil reducer lol.
zanemoseley- Posts : 2688
Join date : 2015-07-11
Location : Cookeville, TN
Re: Swaged versus hard cast... recoil??
Weight of bullet dictates recoil. Some people prefer swaged rather than cast because sometimes (not very often) an internal void will form in the cast and throw the balance off. I'm sure you know the results of something like that.
Larry2520- Posts : 143
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Re: Swaged versus hard cast... recoil??
Sometimes swaged bullets won't go as fast as cast bullets with the same powder charge. That could reduce recoil.
S148- Posts : 319
Join date : 2017-07-04
Re: Swaged versus hard cast... recoil??
S148 wrote:Sometimes swaged bullets won't go as fast as cast bullets with the same powder charge. That could reduce recoil.
Right, I'm just worried that would reduce the pressure and not cycle the pistol. I run my loads pretty tight on having just enough juice to run reliably while still reducing recoil.
zanemoseley- Posts : 2688
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Re: Swaged versus hard cast... recoil??
Commercial swaged bullets have a BHN of 10-13 and most cast bullets are way too hard at 18-22. Home-made swaged bullets are usually almost pure lead as the hand-swage presses can't achieve the pressure of commercial units.
Felt recoil has to be a function of gun fit, height of barrel axis from hand, bullet weight, bullet velocity, powder weight, and powder velocity exiting the barrel. I can't see bullet hardness having any effect separate from those variables mentioned.
In most cases, I think "felt recoil" has more to with the shooter's prejudice going in and knowing what bullet/powder he/she is firing. A series of true double-bling tests would be most interesting.
I can run commercial swaged bullets up to about 1300-1500 fps, depending on quality of the lube (generally just a wax emulsion, which often does "die" at around 1100fps); however, most manuals also keep lead bullet data down in pressure. Lyman lists the MAP for their loads.
If you are shooting competitive Bullseye and don't cast your own, you should be using swaged bullets ONLY, due to superior dimensional and weight consistency.
Look to Star and Magnus.
Felt recoil has to be a function of gun fit, height of barrel axis from hand, bullet weight, bullet velocity, powder weight, and powder velocity exiting the barrel. I can't see bullet hardness having any effect separate from those variables mentioned.
In most cases, I think "felt recoil" has more to with the shooter's prejudice going in and knowing what bullet/powder he/she is firing. A series of true double-bling tests would be most interesting.
I can run commercial swaged bullets up to about 1300-1500 fps, depending on quality of the lube (generally just a wax emulsion, which often does "die" at around 1100fps); however, most manuals also keep lead bullet data down in pressure. Lyman lists the MAP for their loads.
If you are shooting competitive Bullseye and don't cast your own, you should be using swaged bullets ONLY, due to superior dimensional and weight consistency.
Look to Star and Magnus.
noylj- Posts : 433
Join date : 2012-03-09
Age : 75
Location : SW USA
Re: Swaged versus hard cast... recoil??
Greetings noylj,
"Commercial swaged bullets have a BHN of 10-13"
Please quote your source of information.
The hardness tests I have conducted on swaged 32 and 38 bullets are considerably less in value.
Cheers,
Dave
"Commercial swaged bullets have a BHN of 10-13"
Please quote your source of information.
The hardness tests I have conducted on swaged 32 and 38 bullets are considerably less in value.
Cheers,
Dave
fc60- Posts : 1458
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Location : South Prairie, WA 98385
Re: Swaged versus hard cast... recoil??
From Magnus, Zero, Hornady, Speer, and Precision Delta. I would post my info from them, but my computer crashed and I can't access the hard drive on it.
Write and ask them yourself.
Write and ask them yourself.
noylj- Posts : 433
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