Missing in action - one hole.
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Missing in action - one hole.
First topic message reminder :
I had a fun match with a friend this morning at 25 and 15 yards. We were both shooting Model 52's.
What is the appropriate way to score this target? I know I fired 10 rounds, and I may be a little rough still at calling my shots, but all ten rounds felt perfect. Then I found this.
I gave myself 90 points, so my friend beat me by one point, but what happens at a real match where two rounds go through one hole?
I had a fun match with a friend this morning at 25 and 15 yards. We were both shooting Model 52's.
What is the appropriate way to score this target? I know I fired 10 rounds, and I may be a little rough still at calling my shots, but all ten rounds felt perfect. Then I found this.
I gave myself 90 points, so my friend beat me by one point, but what happens at a real match where two rounds go through one hole?
mikemyers- Posts : 4236
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Re: Missing in action - one hole.
I'm going to try to do it properly, but that calculator app is pretty cool.SonOfAGun wrote:As a new competitor (only three events prior to pandemic interruption) I found the process of scoring to be almost more intimidating than the shooting. The shooting is up to me, and I'm comfortable with my level of ability. I'm pretty much ok with letting myself do what I can without getting flustered. But the responsibility of scoring someone else's results kind of got to me. Relying on myself to shoot is one thing, but another shooter relying on me, that's something else. It's the same feelings I have when I'm not confident in my skills yet-- that I'm going too slowly, or am missing something obvious, or my lack of experience is causing a problem for some otherwise innocent competitor. I look forward to getting more comfortable with that part.
I understand the "counting the missed points" technique, and I practice using it. But I have also relied on a calculator at times.
I'm not sure when or how I found it, but this online calculator counts the shots, knows that an X = ten points, tracks the X count, and accumulates a number of targets into an aggregate score. Much easier than a standard calculator. But still not as cool as doing it in your head in 5 seconds.
http://www.targettally.com
It even knows how to properly score a target with more than 10 holes !!
Thanks for posting the link.
mikemyers- Posts : 4236
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Re: Missing in action - one hole.
To do it in your head in 5 seconds simply remember this:
Shot Value Points down
X & 10 0
9 1
8 equals 2
7 3
6 4
5 5
Example:
That 8 you see...it's not an 8 it's a 2, those 3- 9's that's 3 ones, that 7 it's a 3 So 2+3+3=8 100-8=92 count the X's and 10's and your done. You can score a lot of targets while you're walking up to them. X's and 10's require no math (no points down), just fill them in correctly on the score card.
Train your brain to see points down.
Shot Value Points down
X & 10 0
9 1
8 equals 2
7 3
6 4
5 5
Example:
That 8 you see...it's not an 8 it's a 2, those 3- 9's that's 3 ones, that 7 it's a 3 So 2+3+3=8 100-8=92 count the X's and 10's and your done. You can score a lot of targets while you're walking up to them. X's and 10's require no math (no points down), just fill them in correctly on the score card.
Train your brain to see points down.
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Re: Missing in action - one hole.
Tom that works when scoring masters, but otherwise wear your sandals to see your toes when counting lol.TomH_pa wrote:To do it in your head in 5 seconds simply remember this:
Shot Value Points down
X & 10 0
9 1
8 equals 2
7 3
6 4
5 5
Example:
That 8 you see...it's not an 8 it's a 2, those 3- 9's that's 3 ones, that 7 it's a 3 So 2+3+3=8 100-8=92 count the X's and 10's and your done. You can score a lot of targets while you're walking up to them. X's and 10's require no math (no points down), just fill them in correctly on the score card.
Train your brain to see points down.
Jon
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Re: Missing in action - one hole.
I was hoping they'd learn to add single digit numbers and not have to count them up
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Re: Missing in action - one hole.
Jon Eulette wrote:
Tom that works when scoring masters, but otherwise wear your sandals to see your toes when counting lol.
Jon
Nobody on the range wants to see me score a 79 target.
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Re: Missing in action - one hole.
Mike. Don't buy a Creedmore overlay, I recently compared one to those used by big match regulars and it was way off. Fortunately at Cardinal they included free (accurate) overlays in the participitant packet. The Creedmore I bought online went into the trash bin!
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Re: Missing in action - one hole.
'radjag', thanks. Someone in the forum is sending me an extra one, so I'll see how it works. I don't remember which one he's sending me, but it should arrive by Monday or so.
Jon, instead of fingers and toes, I just ask Siri to do the math - or at least I did at the last two matches. Now I know better.
Jon, instead of fingers and toes, I just ask Siri to do the math - or at least I did at the last two matches. Now I know better.
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Re: Missing in action - one hole.
Mike, you could piss everyone off by using
Targetscan app
Targetscan app
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Re: Missing in action - one hole.
Jim, it's already on my iPhone....
Thanks, but no thanks.
Thanks, but no thanks.
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Re: Missing in action - one hole.
But can it score an 14 round refire target with 1 round alibi on the first string, 1 round unfired on the second string and 3 rounds unfired on the refire string correctly?
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Re: Missing in action - one hole.
In such a scenario, can most competitors score such a scenario without help?
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Re: Missing in action - one hole.
Add a crossfire just for fun!
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Re: Missing in action - one hole.
james r chapman wrote:Add a crossfire just for fun with the same bullet profile!
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Re: Missing in action - one hole.
Let's score that target. It will happen. That first round alibi sets the correct number of hits on target at 14 (4+5+5) you count the number of hits actually on target (4+4+2=10) that assumes there were no additional misses by the shooter. Now you score the 4 missing shots as zeroes (14-10=4 missing). You now score the 6 lowest scoring hits on the target. The alibi also cost you the 4 best shotsCR10X wrote:But can it score an 14 round refire target with 1 round alibi on the first string, 1 round unfired on the second string and 3 rounds unfired on the refire string correctly?
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creedmore overlays
I'm somewhat interested in the comment regarding Creedmore overlays. The writer says they're not accurate, maybe he can post a comparison photo, so we can see the differences
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Re: Missing in action - one hole.
That was 'radjag' - you can send him a private message if he doesn't see your question here.whitez06 wrote:I'm somewhat interested in the comment regarding Creedmore overlays. The writer says they're not accurate, maybe he can post a comparison photo, so we can see the differences
"Re: Missing in action - one hole.
by radjag Yesterday at 10:57 pm
Mike. Don't buy a Creedmore overlay, I recently compared one to those used by big match regulars and it was way off. Fortunately at Cardinal they included free (accurate) overlays in the participitant packet. The Creedmore I bought online went into the trash bin!"
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Re: Missing in action - one hole.
From the back, still looks like the 3:00 X shot to me.
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Re: Missing in action - one hole.
"So You Wanna Shoot Bullseye" has left the building.
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Re: Missing in action - one hole.
Thank you!
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Re: Missing in action - one hole.
spursnguns wrote:
7:00 in the X....possibly two holes.
That is how I'd score it. 100-6X
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