Converting to Basic Wad Gun
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Rob Kovach
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Converting to Basic Wad Gun
What is involved in converting a 1911 from hardball to wad gun?
bmac- Posts : 59
Join date : 2014-04-15
Re: Converting to Basic Wad Gun
For me, it is simply done by replacing the recoil spring with a lower powered one. After I do that, my hardball gun shoots midrange ammo like a champ. Now, if you want to mount a red-dot, there are various ways of accomplishing that.
BE Mike- Posts : 2564
Join date : 2011-07-29
Location : Indiana
Re: Converting to Basic Wad Gun
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My ball gun IS my Wad gun. If I'm shooting really hot Hardball, I put in a stiffer recoil spring. When I shoot light wad loads with iron sights I use a 19lb mainspring and a 19lb recoil spring.
When I bolt on the slide mounted rail and ultradot, I use a 10lb recoil spring and a 19lb mainspring.
My ball gun IS my Wad gun. If I'm shooting really hot Hardball, I put in a stiffer recoil spring. When I shoot light wad loads with iron sights I use a 19lb mainspring and a 19lb recoil spring.
When I bolt on the slide mounted rail and ultradot, I use a 10lb recoil spring and a 19lb mainspring.
Rob Kovach- Admin
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Re: Converting to Basic Wad Gun
Well that's easier than I expected! For some reason I thought there had to be some barrel work done in order for them to feed.
I have a LB CMP Hardball .45 What power recoil spring would be a good one to start with? I'd like to try out shooting mild to medium 185's over Bullseye.
I have a LB CMP Hardball .45 What power recoil spring would be a good one to start with? I'd like to try out shooting mild to medium 185's over Bullseye.
bmac- Posts : 59
Join date : 2014-04-15
Re: Converting to Basic Wad Gun
Depends on the velocity of your 185 loads and the weight (rate) of the mainspring that LB uses. My 730 f/s loads cycle reliably with a 12 lb recoil spring and 19lb mainspring - open sights. get the variety pack from Wolf. Don't let the spring dictate the load. Find an accurate load first and drop in the correct spring afterwards.
inthebeech- Posts : 652
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Re: Converting to Basic Wad Gun
BMAC,
EIC matches require a 4lb trigger weight, whereas NRA bullseye allows 3 1/2. Small difference, but when compared to the avg .22 at 2 1/2 lb it's noticeable. This can easily be changed by substituting a different sear spring that has been set for a lighter weight.
EIC matches require a 4lb trigger weight, whereas NRA bullseye allows 3 1/2. Small difference, but when compared to the avg .22 at 2 1/2 lb it's noticeable. This can easily be changed by substituting a different sear spring that has been set for a lighter weight.
Larry Lang- Posts : 198
Join date : 2011-06-10
Age : 84
Location : Frederickson, WA
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Yes it does Also depend if your hardball gun has had the barrel throated to feed wadcutters, if not then some machine work is needed unless you stick with something like the zero or nosler 185 fmj-hp.
DavidR- Admin
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Re: Converting to Basic Wad Gun
^^This is correct^^Don't let the spring dictate the load. Find an accurate load first and drop in the correct spring afterwards.
When you have the load you want find the spring that gets the slide to lock back for the empty magazine most of the time on a cold day.
depend if your hardball gun has had the barrel throated to feed wadcutters
Most commercially available guns have throats that will feed wadcutters.
Rob Kovach- Admin
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Re: Converting to Basic Wad Gun
I have a heavy 20 lb. spring in my hardball gun. If yours has a standard 16 lb. spring, you may be good to go. Try a some wadcutters and see what happens. I wouldn't mess with the trigger weight if you haven't gone distinguished yet. A good 4 lb. trigger job won't hamper you once you get used to it.bmac wrote:Well that's easier than I expected! For some reason I thought there had to be some barrel work done in order for them to feed.
I have a LB CMP Hardball .45 What power recoil spring would be a good one to start with? I'd like to try out shooting mild to medium 185's over Bullseye.
BE Mike- Posts : 2564
Join date : 2011-07-29
Location : Indiana
Re: Converting to Basic Wad Gun
I don't know what kind of magazines you have but if they are original style for hardball then you might want to get some metalform mags with the rounded follower and the different release point, if the wadcutter rounds don't feed. I'm sure a LB pistol is already smithed for wadcutter rounds but the mags do make a difference in feeding.
robert84010- Posts : 834
Join date : 2011-09-21
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I use only flat follower Colt magazines for Wad and Ball, so only worry about changing mags if you have a problem.
Rob Kovach- Admin
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Thanks guys! Looks like I'll load some up and give them a try.
bmac- Posts : 59
Join date : 2014-04-15
Re: Converting to Basic Wad Gun
One last related question. Would these be a good bullet to try out? http://www.missouribullet.com/details.php?prodId=64&category=5&secondary=13&keywords=
bmac- Posts : 59
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Re: Converting to Basic Wad Gun
I like the Bullseye #1s but those Bullseye #2s are good too.
Rob Kovach- Admin
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Re: Converting to Basic Wad Gun
I would lean towards the 200 gr. long nose swc for starters. The long nose aids in feeding and that little extra weight might help in functioning of the slide. That style was a staple of bullseye shooters for years and still is very popular. Once you have your pistol running with these wadcutters, you can experiment around some if you need better accuracy or a little (tiny) decrease in recoil for sustained fire.
BE Mike- Posts : 2564
Join date : 2011-07-29
Location : Indiana
Re: Converting to Basic Wad Gun
Just to close the loop on this. I loaded up some 185gr LSWC with a light load of BE. The gun functioned fine with no feeding or cycling issues.
bmac- Posts : 59
Join date : 2014-04-15
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