32 HBWC Bullets

Greetings,

I telephoned Hornady the other day to discover that they discontinued the 0.314" 90 grain HBWC three years ago. Shows how much I get out of the Mann Kave.

Recent regulations in Germany have made the excellent H&N bullet unavailable. No USA distributor and the Canadian chap that was importing them plans to stop due to the paperwork.

So, is there another source for 98-100 grain HBWC bullets in the USA or Canada?

Speer 98 HBWC work okay in 0.311" bore barrels. However, too many fliers in the European 0.314" barrels.

Cheers,

Dave

Interested as well, I have 4K speers seriously debating rebarreling my p240 into a 32acp

Lapua makes a 98-grain HBWC. Brownells has it in the States, Hirsch Precision has them in Canada. It should be fantastic if price is a good indicator 

Magnus has DEWC .314 in stock at very good price. Did you ever try these?

http://saas.shopsite.com/magnusbullets/store/page2.html

Sounds like a market opportunity, Dave.

LenV wrote:Magnus has DEWC .314 in stock at very good price. Did you ever try these?

http://saas.shopsite.com/magnusbullets/store/page2.html

Hi Len,

What does the DE in DEWC stand for?

Bill

DE stands for Double-Ended. As opposed to hollow base (HBWC).

DEWC don't have a hollow cavity on one end. They are more or less symmetrical and can be loaded either way. They tend to be cast bullets, where most HBWC are swaged.

The Magnus I was using were button head. The only double head I could find were Penn.

Bill

Greetings,

I have several moulds to cast my own, if needed.

The Lapua smell nice when fired; but, I never found the secret to X-ring groups at 50 yards. I gave all mine away.

I also wrote to H&N asking about being a USA reseller. They replied saying they had no plans for a USA reseller.

I may try some test barrels using 0.308" blanks. I had one in the past and it shot the Speer's fairly well.

Cheers,

Dave

Champion's Choice is an H&N dealer for pellets. They also sell .32 bullets from other brands (Lapua, Magnus, etc.). Maybe if enough of you ask, they could carry the .32 H&N ? Best of luck.

Speer makes both a .314 and a .312. I have found both in stock at multiple places doing a quick search. LG has both. Sportsman's also. I guess I was not sure if your looking for .312 or .314?

Len

I have bought Speer 32 S&WL from two different on line stores. Both boxes were marked .314. I couldn't find anything over .312 in either box. Sent them back with no questions.

So far out of the ones i've measured they are coming in at .313  my barrel slugged out @ .312.  haven't had a chance to load for it yet.

A second vote for Magnus bullets (http://www.magnusbullets.com/). Terry is a fellow shooter and makes good bullets.

Greetings,

Thanks to those that posted sources of Cast Bullets.

Sadly, Cast Bullets are NOT swaged HBWC as I originally requested.

I welcome those that do use Cast Bullets to post their 10X groups fired at 50 yards. Images, that is, showing all ten shots.

I have not seen a commercially cast bullet that out performs a good swaged HBWC bullet.

Cheers,

Dave

Actually, You make zero mention of swaged bullets in your original post. Just an FYI.

"Greetings,

I telephoned Hornady the other day to discover that they discontinued the 0.314" 90 grain HBWC three years ago. Shows how much I get out of the Mann Kave.

Recent regulations in Germany have made the excellent H&N bullet unavailable. No USA distributor and the Canadian chap that was importing them plans to stop due to the paperwork.

So, is there another source for 98-100 grain HBWC bullets in the USA or Canada?

Speer 98 HBWC work okay in 0.311" bore barrels. However, too many fliers in the European 0.314" barrels.

Cheers,

Dave"

Greetings,

j'ai fait une erreur...

Ich machte einen Fehler...

I made an error...

I did forget about the Mihec HBWC moulds. I had some and sold them. Too much work for such little output of "keepers".

Yes, the "keepers" shot X-ring at 50 yards. Again, too labor intensive.

Thanks for pointing out the error.

Cheers,

Dave

fc60 wrote:Greetings,

Thanks to those that posted sources of Cast Bullets.

Sadly, Cast Bullets are NOT swaged HBWC as I originally requested.

I welcome those that do use Cast Bullets to post their 10X groups fired at 50 yards. Images, that is, showing all ten shots.

I have not seen a commercially cast bullet that out performs a good swaged HBWC bullet.

Cheers,

Dave

I think I understand the difference, is "swaged" is better for BE shooting?  How does one know cast v swaged when buying?  I just purchased a couple type of Lapua, and some Speers, all HBWC.

Also, with the Speer, they are sold and packaged as .314, but when I measure with my new calipers and micrometer, they are .311-.312.  Is this normal?  I purchased then from Midway.

I have also bought some Speer where the box was marked .314 and I couldn't find one that was over .312. Don't worry, Midway will take them back. It would seem to be a rule of thumb that if they are hollow back they are swaged. I have never seen a HB cast 32.

Hello David,

If you have the time I'd appreciate a treatise on why HBWC are more desirable than cast bullets.  I'm just looking to learn.

Thanks, Paul

That's an interesting mold. Looks like the pins have to come out with the bullets on every cast. How do you handle them considering how hot they must be? Do the skirts form well on the pins? 

You're getting good 25 yard results. What gun are you using? 

I'm very curious because I'm a long time bullet caster. I knew this type of mold existed but have never tried one.

Jim

The pins stay in. They slide back and forth in a slot on the bottom.
Using a Hammerli 280
I'm still working on getting the hang of it. Skirts are tricky, right now I'm running a little hotter (725) and adding a little tin

I bought one of those molds also, but it'll be a little cold for me to cast bullets for another couple months.  Tin decreases the growth of the dendrites growing from the solid Lead alloy into the still liquid Lead alloy, decreasing the size of voids.  It also lowers the melting temperature, making the Lead more fluid.  

I am interested in what Lead source you are using.  Most of the Lead scrap I come across has Antimony or Arsenic in it to harden it.  I usually want hard bullets, but don't for .32 and .45 pistol.  Adding Tin to Lead with Antimony makes for a Ternary alloy, and hardness really increases.