38cal HBWC bullets manufacturers?

Well, yesterday I loaded my last 38 bullet. I used to buy Zero and Magnus bullets from Powder Valley and Midsouth, but they both are OOS. Found some Hornadys but they are a bit too pricey for me. Can anyone recommend any other good source and/or other good HBWC manufacturer? 

Thanks a lot!

looks like most companies only offer double end wad cutters, acme,penn and meister have them, might be time to develop a new load.

I've been liking the Hornady 148 HBWCs.  Seem to work as well as the Zeros which I used to shoot.

I use the filthy Remington hbwc's from Midway.
Dirty but shoot fantastic 50 yd groups.

I have a good stock of Zero HBWC's, but have had good results with Penn Bullets wadcutters, when Zero was not available.

http://www.pennbullets.com/38/38-caliber.html

Precision Delta has a REAL GOOD 148 HBWC swaged bullet..Probably the best accuracy/bang for the buck..I've shot many and they will shoot 1-1/2 out of my revolver at 50 yds with 2.7 BE.

PD.s are also good. Basically the old star as I remember.

Jim Russell at Star built the original molds and jacket machines for PD.

Tom

I also use those filthy Remingtons in my M52-1.
Excellent accuracy when I do my part.

Back in  my PPC days, thru much testing for myself and a police team, it was determined that the Remington 148 HBWC shot the tightest. I did not like the black messy lube, so I washed large batches on hot sunny days, in solvent.. Spread them out on black plywood to heat up and dry in the sun.. This washed off the black gunk, which I replaced with heated liquid Alox. The heat of the sun and heated Alox caused it to spread a thin and even coat over the bullet. Gone was the black mess, easy to load, and shot as good or better. If you measure to OD, you'll notice that the bullet is barrel shaped.. Tapered on each end. Many of the PPC revolvers would shoot under an inch at 50..Bought huge amounts of components from Wideners in Johnson City, TN at the time.
Jerry

JERRY IS RIGHT. I ALSO HAVE FOUND THE REMINGTON TO SHOOT THE BEST AT 50YDS. WHEN I WAS RUNNING OUT OF STAR SPECIAL MATCH I BEGAN  SEARCH OF A REPLACEMENT. I FOUND THE REMINGTON'S TO OUT SHOOT THE STAR SM IN SEVERAL GUNS. YES THEY AR FILTHY AND GUMMY . BUT IT'S WORTH IT.  2.75 GR WST.
I FOUND THEY NEEDED A LITTLE MORE THAN THE STARS WHERE I LOADED 2/65GRS OF WST. JIM P

Jerry, I will try that!

I've got 5000 I've got to load for outdoor season.

The most accurate 38 gun I ever shot was a Colt OMM with Remington target ammo.  The OMM fantastic trigger helped a lot.

And, Jim P is 100% correct about WST.. That was a secret that no one was willing to tell,  for a while back in the day.. Jason Yarema and I hit on it by accident.. I am sure it had been discovered by someone else, as a year or so later everyone was loading it. We wanted to get away from WW231 which was very accurate in some lot#s,  but also extremely dirty, and required extra attention while reloading, to prevent unburnt granules from getting trapped  under the extractor.  We were trying to get TiteGroup figured out.  We shot some incredible RR groups with TiteGroup.. Jason was a very talented HM, shooting well into the 1490s, with only a couple years of experience, but he would have one or two flyers every match that he didn't call. At first we suspected the gun, but traced it to the TiteGroup.. Went to WST just because I had a bunch that I bought for bullseye testing,  and that really cured the problem..
Most guns will group best somewhere between 2.7 / 2.9 of WST /  Rem. 148HBWC / Rem once fired brass; [ no nickel cases]   / and Fed  primers.
Jerry

I have not seen a Federal primer for rifle or pistol in ages.  I was raised on Federal 210 and 215 in my rifle days.

I have a couple bricks of 215 in my safe....sitting beside my norma primers 

Should donate to a museum.The Norma that is.

wst seems to be powder of choice for ppc in Michigan now for 38.

james r chapman wrote:wst seems to be powder of choice for ppc in Michigan now for 38 and 9mm..

WST IS NOT RECOMMENDED FOR 9MM. WSF IS A GREAT 9MM POWDER. JP

not rcommended by whom.

james r chapman wrote:not rcommended by whom.

HODGDON WHO MAKES AND SELLS WINCHESTER POWDER. THEY ONLY RECOMMEND 231,AUTOCOMP, & WSF.

borrowed from Brian Enos forum

Hornady Abridged Addition 1997 Titled "Hornady HandBook Of Cartridge Reloading" has the information for loading 9MM with Winchester WST Powder. Page #174

The Bullet weight is 124 Grain as follows:

Hornady # 3556 FMJ-FP............(Full Metal Jacket Flat Point) Hornady # 3557 FMJ-RN...........(Full Metal Jacket Round Nose) Hornady # 3567 LRN.................(Lead Round Nose)

Using WIN WST Powder load as follows:

4.8 GR @ 1025 FPS

5.0 GR @ 1050 FPS

5.2 GR @ 1075 FPS

5.4 GR @ 1100 FPS Maximum Load Use With Caution!

All loads use small pistol primers

IN 1997 THAT MAY HAVE BEEN TRUE IN THE HORNADY MANUAL. AS OF TODAY FROM HODGDON'S OWN WEB SITE MY INFORMATION IS CORRECT. JIM P

I was fortunate in the 9mm PPC days. Dennis Anderson of AMI ( Anderson Munitions)  was a good friend, and produced superb ammo in all calibers.. So, we did very little experimention with the 9mm. The 2 man team shot it exclusively and set a National record with it at the 2001 Nationals ( Jason Yarema again with Mike Talbert) that held up for nearly ten years..The first time automatics ever won the event..History.!!)I used it to test all the 9mm guns back then.. At one time Dennis revealed the formula, to me, but I have long forgotten what it was.. Old age..  Fantastic ammo. I still have several cases..
Jerry

JERRY : HERE'S WHAT DENNIS LOADED. I KNEW HIM AND MISS VICKY WELL. 147GR JHP (XTP WAS THE BEST) 4.0 WSF, WIN SP, NEW BRASS. JIM P