Atlanta Arms and Zero cartridges for bullseye

Can anyone comment on the accuracy, velocity, consistency etc., of the .45 ACP JHP 185 gr competition loads sold by these two manufacturers? Thanks.

Atlanta Arms Elite ammo is great!  Zero is very good.  If price is the same, go Atlanta.

MarkOue wrote:Atlanta Arms Elite ammo is great!  Zero is very good.  If price is the same, go Atlanta.

The price is about $0.12 a round more for the Atlanta rounds. Will try a couple of boxes of both.

Hello tvphotog,

Neither....try Asym Precision.  A superior product.

Jim

I've found federal GM45B at 770 fps is good.
zero 185 jhp good @ 785 fps.
Nosler 185 jhp good but over 900 fps.
I've heard ASSYM is good at .mid 700's

james r chapman wrote:I've found federal GM45B at 770 fps is good.
zero 185 jhp good @ 785 fps.
Nosler 185 jhp good but over 900 fps.
I've heard ASSYM is good at .mid 700's

Atlanta's website lists its 185 gr JHP at 920 fps. It's funny, because they list their competition ball 230 gr at somewhere in the mid-700's. I wonder if the 920 is an error and whether anyone has measured it themselves.

I called ASYM, and they don't deliver to New York City. They will deliver to a gun shot that's a half-hours drive away and about a $75 round trip. Makes the ammo pretty expensive, though I also have heard it's very good.

The inconvenience and expense rules out ASYM, and I can't believe its significantly better that Zero, Altlanta Arms or Federal.

You’ll see the military teams shooting Atlanta Arms

Chris Miceli wrote:You’ll see the military teams shooting Atlanta Arms

Yes, I have. AA even makes that point on their website. I'm not sure I believe that AA 185 gr velocity of 920 fps.

The Zero team set a national record a couple years ago,  if I remember correctly.  Recent national champions Hemphill and Sanderson were sponsored by Zero .

rreid wrote:The Zero team set a national record a couple years ago,  if I remember correctly.  Recent national champions Hemphill and Sanderson were sponsored by Zero .

It looks like you can't go wrong with either AA or Zero. Thank you all for the input.

If you’re using commercially reloaded ammo, to some extent the ammo will either shoot or not in your pistol. You may have to try several different brands.

tvphotog wrote:

james r chapman wrote:I've found federal GM45B at 770 fps is good.
zero 185 jhp good @ 785 fps.
Nosler 185 jhp good but over 900 fps.
I've heard ASSYM is good at .mid 700's

Atlanta's website lists its 185 gr JHP at 920 fps. It's funny, because they list their competition ball 230 gr at somewhere in the mid-700's. I wonder if the 920 is an error and whether anyone has measured it themselves.

I called ASYM, and they don't deliver to New York City. They will deliver to a gun shot that's a half-hours drive away and about a $75 round trip. Makes the ammo pretty expensive, though I also have heard it's very good.

The inconvenience and expense rules out ASYM, and I can't believe its significantly better that Zero, Altlanta Arms or Federal.

That’s a bummer. We struggle here behind enemy lines in CA too. 

ASYM is good stuff. The Stan Chen stuff was the best: 1.2” at 50 yards out of two different guns. I haven’t Random Rested any of the Phoenix stuff yet but I’ve shot a bit. A few random flyers - not enough to say for sure it’s the ammo and not the shooter, but enough to make me wonder. Overall, still better 50 yard ammo than I can reload for the price (factoring in my time, of course).

I always thought that any ammo that'll hold inside the 10 ring at 50 yards is good ammo. While there is a difference in .22 ammo in different handguns, I think that any good accurized 1911 will shoot good ammo well. Years ago, I and my shooting buddies, machine rested different pistols using the Nosler 185 gr. JHP with 4.5 grains of Alliant Bullseye with WLP primers and Starline brass. The velocity out of my Kart barreled, Clark accurized, Series 70 Colt measured 828 fps. The worst any pistol shot that load, out of the Ransom rest, was a hair over 2". The best ten shot group at 50 yards was sub 1" out of a brand new Rock River wad gun. I'm pretty sure that any of the ammo mentioned will shoot sub-ten ring, so if I were in your shoes and didn't reload, I'd go with the most reasonably priced. If you find that the ammo isn't consistent, by verifying with the machine rest, you might want to switch brands as long as you are certain that your pistol is up to the task.

BE Mike wrote:I always thought that any ammo that'll hold inside the 10 ring at 50 yards is good ammo. While there is a difference in .22 ammo in different handguns, I think that any good accurized 1911 will shoot good ammo well. Years ago, I and my shooting buddies, machine rested different pistols using the Nosler 185 gr. JHP with 4.5 grains of Alliant Bullseye with WLP primers and Starline brass. The velocity out of my Kart barreled, Clark accurized, Series 70 Colt measured 828 fps. The worst any pistol shot that load, out of the Ransom rest, was a hair over 2". The best ten shot group at 50 yards was sub 1" out of a brand new Rock River wad gun. I'm pretty sure that any of the ammo mentioned will shoot sub-ten ring, so if I were in your shoes and didn't reload, I'd go with the most reasonably priced. If you find that the ammo isn't consistent, by verifying with the machine rest, you might want to switch brands as long as you are certain that your pistol is up to the task.

Thanks for that detailed response. My 1911 Colt GI has been accurized by Dave Salyer and is shooting very accurately at present. Because the Zero ammo is less expensive, I think I will go with that. I will still try both the Zero and the AA. Reloading is a tremendous hassle given the small spaces in New York City which is why I'm dependent on Factory ammo.

I thought Zero (Roze) would give exchange credit for your brass also.

Zero does provide reduced pricing for brass exchange. I don't reload yet and use Zero loaded ammo exclusively. The procedure is simple - call them, obtain an authorization number for brass exchange and place your ammo order. Then send in your brass and don't forget to place a sheet of paper with your name and the authorization number into the box. They don't even wait to ship the ammo until they receive your brass but ship it right away - terrific folks. I can fit 2000 brass casings into a single USPS mid-size flat rate box. The savings are definitely worth it and the ammo shoots great.

Oleg G wrote:Zero does provide reduced pricing for brass exchange. I don't reload yet and use Zero loaded ammo exclusively. The procedure is simple - call them, obtain an authorization number for brass exchange and place your ammo order. Then send in your brass and don't forget to place a sheet of paper with your name and the authorization number into the box. They don't even wait to ship the ammo until they receive your brass but ship it right away - terrific folks. I can fit 2000 brass casings into a single USPS mid-size flat rate box. The savings are definitely worth it and the ammo shoots great.

Thanks very much for the suggestion. That will work out very well.

tvphotog wrote:

BE Mike wrote:I always thought that any ammo that'll hold inside the 10 ring at 50 yards is good ammo. While there is a difference in .22 ammo in different handguns, I think that any good accurized 1911 will shoot good ammo well. Years ago, I and my shooting buddies, machine rested different pistols using the Nosler 185 gr. JHP with 4.5 grains of Alliant Bullseye with WLP primers and Starline brass. The velocity out of my Kart barreled, Clark accurized, Series 70 Colt measured 828 fps. The worst any pistol shot that load, out of the Ransom rest, was a hair over 2". The best ten shot group at 50 yards was sub 1" out of a brand new Rock River wad gun. I'm pretty sure that any of the ammo mentioned will shoot sub-ten ring, so if I were in your shoes and didn't reload, I'd go with the most reasonably priced. If you find that the ammo isn't consistent, by verifying with the machine rest, you might want to switch brands as long as you are certain that your pistol is up to the task.

Thanks for that detailed response. My 1911 Colt GI has been accurized by Dave Salyer and is shooting very accurately at present. Because the Zero ammo is less expensive, I think I will go with that. I will still try both the Zero and the AA. Reloading is a tremendous hassle given the small spaces in New York City which is why I'm dependent on Factory ammo.

When Jim Collins (first PPC to shoot 1500 out of 1500 possible) was alive, he represented Zero Ammunition at Perry. He had some amazing machine rest . 45 ACP groups posted. I think you'll be happy.

Zero (Roze) has suspended their brass credit program according to their website two days ago.