Seating bullets on the shoulder?
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Seating bullets on the shoulder?
Is seating bullets on the shoulder literally having a seating die that pushes on the shoulder? I have kept track of my seating depth at the shoulder and OAL but seating on the shoulder is a way to also get more concentric loaded ammo I could see that as a good thing. Anyone have preferred seating dies or is this strictly a custom seater stem type venture. I notice that the Dillon SWC side of the seater contacts somewhere about midway down the cone of a H&G 68 or similar bullet. Leaves a pretty good mark too.
kwixdraw- Posts : 221
Join date : 2014-09-03
Location : Scott County TN
Re: Seating bullets on the shoulder?
yes you are pushing directly on the shoulder
I have seaters that I made to do this
There is a guy who sells modified stems for dillon dies on e-bay Steve Bathe??
I have seaters that I made to do this
There is a guy who sells modified stems for dillon dies on e-bay Steve Bathe??
STEVE SAMELAK- Posts : 958
Join date : 2011-06-10
Re: Seating bullets on the shoulder?
Mostly this is best for semi wadcutters where its better than seating off the nose, plus you can change bullet types say, long nose to short and it will seat both the same without re adjusting the die.
DavidR- Admin
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Re: Seating bullets on the shoulder?
You don't have to buy them from Steve Bathe. You could do like I did and spend tripple the cost, 6 hours on the Lathe and on the 4th attempt get it correct. Next time I'm just calling Steve
Motorcycle_dan- Posts : 173
Join date : 2011-06-11
Age : 65
Location : Central Ohio
Re: Seating bullets on the shoulder?
If you have a Lee seating die sitting around it takes about a half hour to turn one on a lathe (once you have the dims.).
Bathe has the luxury (and cost) of an automated machine.
Bathe has the luxury (and cost) of an automated machine.
STEVE SAMELAK- Posts : 958
Join date : 2011-06-10
Re: Seating bullets on the shoulder?
Guess I did it the hard way for the Dillon insert. 3/8 drill and 2 minutes of work on the round nose end. Of course this is for .45 only.
CR10X- Posts : 1777
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Re: Seating bullets on the shoulder?
Why did you select the round nose end, rather than the semi-wadcutter end?CR10X wrote:Guess I did it the hard way for the Dillon insert. 3/8 drill and 2 minutes of work on the round nose end. Of course this is for .45 only.
BE Mike- Posts : 2587
Join date : 2011-07-29
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Re: Seating bullets on the shoulder?
Helped center the drill bit since I was not using lathe or drill press fixture.
CR10X- Posts : 1777
Join date : 2011-06-17
Location : NC
Re: Seating bullets on the shoulder?
Cecil, My issue was I wanted a very fine wall. Had some old Star bullets that had a small shoulder. I ended up having to spin the lathe and use a grinder in the coss feed to reduce the OD.
It would swell if I tried to drill ID with that thin a wall. I got it but caved in the first 3 attempts.
It would swell if I tried to drill ID with that thin a wall. I got it but caved in the first 3 attempts.
Motorcycle_dan- Posts : 173
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Re: Seating bullets on the shoulder?
Oh, I understand. I was just lucky the OT bullets I use were a perfect fit for that drill size. :-))
CR10X- Posts : 1777
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Re: Seating bullets on the shoulder?
for the Lee seater
i just measured the inner dia of the shoulder of the 2 kinds of swc i use (both lee)
and drilled it to the size needed
now i dont ever have to change the depth setting even when switching bullets
and since the lee bullets are so close in seating depth there isnt anything different
i also load the lee 145gr swc for 40 and did the same thing
they just seat better
i just measured the inner dia of the shoulder of the 2 kinds of swc i use (both lee)
and drilled it to the size needed
now i dont ever have to change the depth setting even when switching bullets
and since the lee bullets are so close in seating depth there isnt anything different
i also load the lee 145gr swc for 40 and did the same thing
they just seat better
guncheese- Posts : 75
Join date : 2014-03-18
Location : where they make the cheese
Re: Seating bullets on the shoulder?
Hi Kwix, I also use the Steve Bathje steating die insert sold on Ebay. It certainly helps
the bullet to seat more concentric and allows more precise seating dimension consistency.
Tony
the bullet to seat more concentric and allows more precise seating dimension consistency.
Tony
tonyg- Posts : 43
Join date : 2012-05-09
Re: Seating bullets on the shoulder?
Waiting for mine to show up..Purchased last week!tonyg wrote:Hi Kwix, I also use the Steve Bathje steating die insert sold on Ebay. It certainly helps
the bullet to seat more concentric and allows more precise seating dimension consistency.
Tony
lablover- Posts : 1275
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Re: Seating bullets on the shoulder?
I just loaded my first batch of ammo with the shoulder seater. I like it. It doesn't mark the bullets up and does seem to seat them more concentric with the case. So no slight bulges on one side.
kwixdraw- Posts : 221
Join date : 2014-09-03
Location : Scott County TN
Re: Seating bullets on the shoulder?
I'd like to know how that Powder coating works! Does it do as well as old fashioned lube on the bullets? Leading??guncheese wrote:for the Lee seater
i just measured the inner dia of the shoulder of the 2 kinds of swc i use (both lee)
and drilled it to the size needed
now i dont ever have to change the depth setting even when switching bullets
and since the lee bullets are so close in seating depth there isnt anything different
i also load the lee 145gr swc for 40 and did the same thing
they just seat better
lablover- Posts : 1275
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Re: Seating bullets on the shoulder?
No leading. There is no lead in contact with the bore.
The stuff is very smooth and slippery.
The stuff is very smooth and slippery.
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Re: Seating bullets on the shoulder?
YeaRob Kovach wrote:No leading. There is no lead in contact with the bore.
The stuff is very smooth and slippery.
I need to look into casting...As much as I want to shoot....And they look cool too...LOL
lablover- Posts : 1275
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Re: Seating bullets on the shoulder?
Eastwood has pretty good bargains on powder coating equipment when it is on sale. It's not too expensive at any time. It's an easy process. Just a little messy.
kwixdraw- Posts : 221
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Location : Scott County TN
Re: Seating bullets on the shoulder?
I need to find a local place that has a push thru sizer. Guess they ned sizing after PC....I may have to order one. Seems the best bet to use with my rockchucker.
lablover- Posts : 1275
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Re: Seating bullets on the shoulder?
online purchasing, local to most everyone, CUSA.
james r chapman- Admin
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Re: Seating bullets on the shoulder?
lablover wrote:I need to find a local place that has a push thru sizer. Guess they ned sizing after PC....I may have to order one. Seems the best bet to use with my rockchucker.
LEE has push thru sizing dies that you can thow in any single stage press.
They size only, no capacity for lubing.
STEVE SAMELAK- Posts : 958
Join date : 2011-06-10
Re: Seating bullets on the shoulder?
Yup, thats what I'm looking forSTEVE SAMELAK wrote:lablover wrote:I need to find a local place that has a push thru sizer. Guess they ned sizing after PC....I may have to order one. Seems the best bet to use with my rockchucker.
LEE has push thru sizing dies that you can thow in any single stage press.
They size only, no capacity for lubing.
lablover- Posts : 1275
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Location : Michigan
Re: Seating bullets on the shoulder?
online sizing kits.
just an example...
just an example...
james r chapman- Admin
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Re: Seating bullets on the shoulder?
dont bother with the powder coat guns
all of mine (yes the ones in the pic) were done by twirling them around in a cool whip container
plenty of info on the shake and bake method on the web
easy,super cheap,clean and the bottom of the bullet gets coated as well (lots of indoor rages that dont like lead allow powder coat)
all of mine (yes the ones in the pic) were done by twirling them around in a cool whip container
plenty of info on the shake and bake method on the web
easy,super cheap,clean and the bottom of the bullet gets coated as well (lots of indoor rages that dont like lead allow powder coat)
guncheese- Posts : 75
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Re: Seating bullets on the shoulder?
Oh yea...I got some reading to do...
lablover- Posts : 1275
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